Friday, May 21, 2010

RE: RE: [rti_india] Re: interpreation of Section 2(f) and 2(J)

 

Dear Moderator,
Kindly look at Mr. Kala Suresh's request to unsubscribe from this group.
Thanks
Venkat


From: kala suresh [mailto:kala.suresh@sapwood.net]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:13 PM
To: venkatesh@humanrightsinitiative.org
Subject: Fw: RE: [rti_india] Re: interpreation of Section 2(f) and 2(J)

Hi Mr venkat
 
Please will you help me unsubscribe from this group? My mails to this group  are bouncing back
I have been trying to unsubscribe since long, but with no success. You seem to be an active member of this group. Can you help me please?
 
Regards
Kala Suresh
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 21-05-2010 16:08:04
Subject: RE: [rti_india] Re: interpreation of Section 2(f) and 2(J)
 
PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE MY EMAIL ID FOR HEAVEN's  SAKE
 
My  inbox is getting flooded with all such mails. I have value for what u guys are doing--BUt well I do not want to receive your mails
 
I have told you all so many times to remove my ID--but you all keep sending these mails. It is inconveniencing me
SO UNSUBSCRIBE
 
Regards
Kala Suresh
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 21-05-2010 16:04:26
Subject: RE: [rti_india] Re: interpreation of Section 2(f) and 2(J)
 
 

Dear Sarbajit,
Like I said before, the human rights discourse is much more complex than what it is portrayed to be in the layperson's understanding. Rights do not vest in an individual as a reward for duties performed. They arise and vest because of the inherent dignity of the human being which he/she is entitled to, therefore they are not directly linked with the performance of duties. But since this is not a forum for discussing human rights I rest this matter here.
 
You also need to look at the statement of objects and reasons of the RTI Bill as tabled in Parliament in 2004. The RTI Act was brought in to give effect to the implied fundamental right to information. It as not been downgraded. Instead a system and a mechanism has been created for the exercise of this fundmental right and that has been given primacy over OSA. If we miss this point then we end up misleading other members of this group. RTI is not merely a statutory right. It is a law that gives effect to a dundamental right. This has been recognised in several HC decision on RTI matters but some HCs I would respectfully say got it wrong when they held that it is a statutory right in addition to the fundamental right to know. Any good government will pass laws to promote, fulfil and protect rights. That is why NREGA was passed protecting the right to livelihood and a just wage for people in rural areas, Prevention of Torture Bill is being debated to provide for a system where torture can be prevented or wher it occurs it can be dealt with (but the Bill is crazily drafted). By passing a law to enable the exercise a fundamental right, that right does not get downgraded. Of course section 8 contains more restrictions than the list of reasonable restrictions found in article 19(2). Again I rest my case on this issue.
Thanks
Venkat
 
 
 
 
 


From: rti_india@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rti_india@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sarbajitr
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:49 AM
To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rti_india] Re: interpreation of Section 2(f) and 2(J)

 

Dear Venkat,

1) Let me express my sadness that you have chosen not to participate in the discussion here. As a member of this group, you would have doubtless observed the steps taken by us to ensure that the decks here are kept clear for a high level of civilised discourse / debate on pure RTI.

2) I hope that you will participate in taking this discussion to a logical conclusion notwithstanding our individual public positions. There are no winners or losers in such discussions - just a desire to ensure that our members get exposed to all possible viewpoints on the interpretations involved - and reach their own independent conclusions.

3) As I have oft stated, including on this platform, by the RTI Act 2005, the court conferred Fundamental Right to Information has been downgraded to an ordinary right enforceable only under the provisions of the Act. If I was to take this stand in a superior court, there is no court in the country which would disagree with me, for with the passage of the Act all the previous decisions of the Courts have been rendered obsolete.

4) On your position on jural duties as the opposite of right, The Indian Constitution clearly specifies the duties of citizens (separate chapter) in addition to

 
 
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