Re: [HumJanenge] Traitors hiding under Sonia's petticoat

Dear Mr ARS KUMAR

Firstly I must say that you have very impressive and varied academic qualifications.

It is not clear to me which Mr Sharma you are referring to in your message. I can update you that 2 Messrs Sharma - Dr. J.N and Govind have had their posting privileges to this group curtailed by a 3rd Mr Sharma.

It is also not clear to me as yet what Ms. Roy's religion is. Mr.Habibullah has stated Aruna Jayaram is/was a Tamil Brahman, other persons are saying she is a Dalit (father converted) Christian etc. The biography of Ms Roy on the Magsaysay Award website only claims that her Maternal grandparents are Brahmins and she married a non-Hindu/non-Brahmin in an irregular form of "marriage". Other online sources (like MKSS website) say that her parents removed her from Brahmanical Tamil Nadu (Why ??) to educate her in Christian schools

Let me clarify that as a secular person I fully respect every person right to freely practice and propagate their religion. I do not distinguish (and it is immaterial to me) if a person has a religion or not, or prays or not. It is a matter of individual faith and belief in which nobody else has a right to interfere. This is a constitutional FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT granted to every citizen of India. The only RESTRICTION is if exercising this right interferes with law,  order or public morality.

The question now is if citizens have a right to know Aruna Roy's religion (through RTI or otherwise). The NORMAL answer is resoundingly NO !!! But if I play the devils advocate here, there are certain circumstances which could require this information to be disclosed.

1) If the citizens has availed benefits from the Srate - such as admission into college or public service under a statutory / minority quota bypassing merit. Mr S.D.Sharma has clearly alluded to this in his first post to the group

2) If the person is a member of a Govt body - selected in an opaque and discretionary manner - no settled qualifications for the post - such as NAC. Mr S D Sharma has bonafide grounds to believe that religion played a significant part in Ms. Roy's selection as an NAC member. For instance, Chairperson NAC was married to Rajiv Gandhi, who represented at various times that he was a Hindu / Brahmin (by his maternal grandparents). Sonia Gandhi has never revealed what her religion is or that of her husband. So was Aruna Roy selected to NAC because she, like Sonia, is a) a closet Christian, b) a woman, c) A Brahman by her maternal grandparents ?. There are additional religious parallels, but I shall not list them here in the interest of brevity. It is pertinent that one of the laws NAC is drafting is on "violence against religious minorities" or suchlike. Aruna Roy is on this working group. Surely the people have a right to know the religion of people drafting this law. When was the last time someone from the majority community was appointed as Chairman Minorities Commission ?  Was Mr Habibullah picked because he is a Hindu ? Does the State not know and factor religion into its appointments ? IN SHORT: When somebody derives benefits from the State they lose their right to privacy. This is very well established.  As a LLB you know all this.

Sarbajit

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:33 AM, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Sharma , How many RTI Application have you filed by you and why you are concentrating on other issues nor than rti , why you are more particular about religion not about corruption in the country 

you are wasted members lot of time even though you are know Roy belongs to which religion , Dont waste the time of members , please stop immidately such disscussions , 

ARS KUMAR. BE. LLB. MA JOURNALISM 

SOCIAL ACTIVIST & JOURNALIST 

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Govind
      Your views may hurt some one, but it is good that you came out
to tell the truth
Dr JN Sharma

On 2/17/11, Govind... Hoping for better <hopegovind@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. SD sharma should file an RTI application and should fight at personal
> level, he can go for litigation but discussion of non rTI related issue here
> and using the group for settling personal score by SRoy and SDS must be
> stopped immediately and Mr. roy should stick to policy of the group.
>
> This thread discussion and also the politician , peticoat and sleeping
> should immediately deleted. Better S Roy and SD Sharma give up their role as
> a moderator and should be handed over to a more responsbile person by voting
> of all members in this group in most democratic manner
>
> Govind
>
> On 17 February 2011 03:25, Dr. Jagnarain Sharma <
> dr.jagnarainsharma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wazahat Sahab THANKS
>>          There should not be so much quarry on one's religion
>>           Many people do not write surname.
>>           I feel lot of people are annoyed with Aruna Roy.
>>           I feel no more debate on this be allowed
>>            Regards
>>            Dr JN Sharma
>>            ADVOCATE/ HUMANRIGHTS ACTIVIST
>>
>> On 2/16/11, wajahat <whabibullah@nic.in> wrote:
>> > Aruna(my batch of IAS)'s real name: Aruna Jayaram, Brahman from Tamil
>> Nadu
>> > Wajahat