Rather than classify people as caste based to provide them with certain support systems that they very strongly need, the practical way forward would be to establish a education system in every nook and corner of the country where quality education will be free and compulsive. The Govt could incentivise the really poor people to study, give them more than what these children could earn if put to work by the parents, so that education becomes more lucrative than child labour.
All underprivilaged people of any caste or creed or geographical area in the country should have access to quality education. Second layer should be providing QUALITY technical education and vocational education to all who desires.
ALL further education and employment should be then on purely and strictly merit basis. This will ensure the real gems to be sorted and filtered ahead for different roles in our national economy.
Reservations could not change the vote banks in the past 64 years, it will not change anyones life even after. Only the corrupt find means to make money and indulge in more child labour in todays scenario.
Hope those who should, are listening. Wake up today so that you may not repent tomorrow.On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Amit Karande <amit_karande@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Dear Sir,
On one hand you say there is no scientific data to support the of performance and delinquency of the classes and on the other hand you name certain politicians. Terming backward castes as most corrupt without any data is nothing but discrimination on the grounds only of caste, which is prohibited by the Constitution. In fact the words OBC ought not to have been used as the creamy layer is excuded and the politicians named cannot be said as belonging to OBC as such. The class of currupt is all together a different class which has no connection with caste. This prejudice against caste is dangerous and was least expected from a retired judge who has served on various posts.
"The tragedy is that these profound modifications in society through out the Country were not accompanied by a system of Surveys for maintaining Data of performance and delinquency of these privileged Castes and classes. So, even if reality stares in the face of the Nation, there is no scientific data to support a view whether or not these privileged Castes and Classes had been performing well or otherwise. To the names specified in your mail, a number of others can be added; some of them have come to the notice of Supreme Court like Mayavati and Mulayam Singh Yadav."
I hope the younger generation gets the light.Adv. Amit A. Karande.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:57:44 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST communities most corrupt"
That is the irony: Truth leads to persecution; many great men suffered because they were truthful, Mahatma Gandhi the most glaring example. There is a tragedy. During the times of freedom movement, considerations of caste were thrown aside so much so that a sizeable section of Students dropped their 'surname' while filling the High School Examination Form. In Courts too, Caste was dropped from the names of witnesses or parties. But in course of time, Caste considerations raised their head again, and the surnames reappeared. Mandal Commission identified more than 3000 backward castes; the tribe continues to grow and there is no let up in demands for more Castes. Standards of Merit were compromised and Examination-pass marks or competition eligibility marks were studiously diluted. The tragedy is that these profound modifications in society through out the Country were not accompanied by a system of Surveys for maintaining Data of performance and delinquency of these privileged Castes and classes. So, even if reality stares in the face of the Nation, there is no scientific data to support a view whether or not these privileged Castes and Classes had been performing well or otherwise. To the names specified in your mail, a number of others can be added; some of them have come to the notice of Supreme Court like Mayavati and Mulayam Singh Yadav.
Apparently, there is a disconnect between the Fundamental Right of Free Speech in Article 19 and the onerous provisions of the Act meant to provide special protection to Scheduled Caste persons by punishing others. Perhaps a popular demand can be made to institute a suitable Commission to probe into the realities of effects of special privileges granted to SC/ST/OBC so that just and proper law may be framed to ensure dignity not only to SC/ST/OBC but also to common man- human dignity is a basic feature of the Constitution of India which Preamble clearly emphasises.
May God show light to all concerned.
KN
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Hello friends
Ashis Nandy has come to his own conclusion after the scale of corruption by Mayavathy, Lalu, Karunanidhi, and others who succeeded to the positions of power in the name of community or castes. Can anybody claim that they have been following clean rule or they have tried to improve the lot of their community/castes?. They utilised the oppurtunities to explore new and modern styles of corrupt practices for their own personnel or family interests. A comparison to the extent of corruption between communitiy and castes combination may not be authentic so much so it may be an exageration to put one is more corrupt than the other. Anyway the fact remains that our rulers are all following the path of corruption irrespective of their community or caste.
Dr.M.C.GEORGE,ADVOCATE.
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Date: Saturday, 26 January, 2013, 10:39 PMMy question is - Is the police going to investigate whether the statement was made or whether the statement is true. Can a person by cited for making a true verifiable statement about a section of society even if it is derogatory.
Virender
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
http://zeenews.india.com/news/rajasthan/ashish-nandy-s-comments-on-sc/sts-create-furore-at-jaipur-lit-fest_825132.html
Jaipur/New Delhi: Noted author Ashis Nandy on Saturday kicked up a storm with his comments that people from OBC, SC and ST communities were the "most corrupt", remarks that came under all round attack.
Hours after Nandy made the remarks at the ongoing Jaipur Literature Festival, an FIR was lodged with the police against him in Jaipur under Section 506 IPC (criminal intimidation) and the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes(Prevention of Atrocities) Act. The FIR was filed by Rajpal Meena, Chairperson of the SC/ST Rajasthan Manch and the matter will be investigated, police said.
"It is a fact that most of the corrupt come from OBCs and Scheduled Castes and now increasingly the Scheduled Tribes," he said participating in a session at the Festival.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Ashish Nandy - "people from OBC, SC and ST communities most corrupt"
I AM FOR A MERIT BASED SOCIETY WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE JUDGED AND RESPECTED ON THE BASIS OF THEIR EFFICIENCY.ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED ,SHOULD BE HELPED.OUR ECONOMIST TURNED POLITICIAN PRIME MINISTER DR MANMOHAN SINGH HAS CONSTITUTED A COMMITTEE HEADED BY RENOWNED TECHNOCRAT DR SAM PITRODA WHO HAS SUBMITTED SOME REPORTS STRESSING THE NEED FOR THE CREATION OF A KNOWLEDGE BASED SOCIETY.
MOST OF THE POLITICIANS IN PRIVATE CONVERSATION,SUPPORT SUCH A MOVE.
BUT IN PUBLIC,THEY SUPPORT THE QUOTA LOBBY TO PLEASE THEIR VOTE BANKS.AND HENCE, PITRODA'S
REPORTS WILL CONTINUE TO GATHER DUST AS THESE WILL NOT BE APPROVED BY ANY POLITICAL PARTY.I AM NOT CERTAIN WHETHER SAM PITRODA'S COMMITTEE IS UNDER LOCK AND KEY. .
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