Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?

Dear Mr. Diwan Singh

Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.

India Against Corruption is SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian

IAC, on its website, has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms

"Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
salvation if he follows his own religion"

This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
"superiority" over all other religions
http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva

If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
persons are not Hindus.

Sarbajit

The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in

I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
its Eternal, independent and catholic character.

II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
devotion and the worshipper.

III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.

IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
peculiar to the Hindu religion.

V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
practice virtue for the sake of virtue.

VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
other scriptures have only man in view.

VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
the law of progress prevalent in nature.

VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
religion.

IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
through several stages of religious development before being able to
form a true idea of the Supreme Being.

X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
religiously.














On 10/22/14, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is more in the article written by Madhu Kishwar. The conditions of
> Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan.
> Firstly, Hinduism, is not a religion, in the sense that religions have a
> organised structure. Hinduism can at best be described as Indian culture.
> It might have many weaknesses, unworthy practices, which can be similarly
> found in other religions, cultures too ;but, its biggest strength is that
> It reflects freedom of thought and evolution, and that's not available in
> other organised religions.That's why we have so many people with Hindu
> names, in this list as well, who exercise this freedom and openly criticize
> Hindus and side with Muslim brothers.
> Nothing wrong! That's the greatness of this culture, the freedom it gives.
> My worry is if we are overdoing this benevolency and jeopardizing the
> future of this great culture. Wouldn't we lead to self destruction this
> way !
>
> Such questions lead us to think
> why no or little concern about:
> - Hindus losing their majority in Assam.
> - Hindus ethnically cleansed from Kashmir. But there is a lot of concern
> about Army heavy handedness there. Nothing wrong in that but why
> just one sided.
> - Right next door to Delhi, riots in Muzzafarnagar happened due to planned
> attack and massacre ( happened on canal crossings, with a strategy to
> sandwich them) of Hindus who were returning after holding a
> panchayat.
> But, our educated, elite, secular Hindus put the blame for the
> consequent riots on Hindutva. This is sheer disregard and contempt of
> the pains of Hindus who lost their kith and kin in the canal massacre.
> There was no Hindutva involved here but our secular Hindus have
> misled the entire nation.
>
> No secular Hindu is talking about bringing to book those people who
> orchestrated the canal massacre, but have all time to sympathize with the
> riots victim, that happened as a consequence.
> It is this indifference at part of secular Hindus that is creating this
> divide between Hindus and Muslims. The secular Hindus are proving to be
> more communal than the militants.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:01 AM, Kumar Arun <kumar2786@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I hope all of you who have participated in this sensitive conversation,
>> are honest in presenting things before less knowledgeable individuals
>> like
>> me. May I ask you to verify rather certify following things about those
>> Hindu individuals who fell in love with a muslim wife:
>>
>> 1. Did a Hindu male or female have to change his/her religion in order
>> to be married in Islam?
>> 2. Did the male Hindu ever become father of children without giving
>> them
>> a muslim name?
>> 3. Did the female Hindu be ever allowed to perform puja of Ram,
>> Krishna,
>> Durga or any other deities?
>>
>> For these questions most likely your answer will be negative and still
>> you
>> honorable Hindus of India think there is nothing wrong with Islam,
>> Islamic
>> agenda (caliphate) and most of all 'sharia laws'?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Dr. Kumar Arun
>>
>> PS: There are many more question in my mind but please answer only three
>> asked to you but with honesty please.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: shantibhush@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:28:55 +0530
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: {ICAN} Fwd: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat
>> or Phobic Fantasy?
>>
>> I believe Justice Chagla married a hindu girl and so did Justice
>> Hidayatullah.Even BJP leaders Naqavi and Shah nawaz Khan have hindu wives
>> Earlier BJP leader Sikander Bakht also had a hindu wife.Even in the
>> filmworld Amir Khan Shah Rukh Khan as well as Saif Ali Khan all have
>> hindu
>> wives.Among cricketers also Nawab Pataudi had a hindu wife.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I find this a worth reading article. One may agree or disagree but the
>> evidence presented raise concerns.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Madhu Kishwar* <madhukishwar@manushi-india.org>
>> Date: Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:53 PM
>> Subject: [Manushi] Love Jehad -Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?
>> To: Manushi-india <manushi-india@googlegroups.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Love Jehad –Real Threat or Phobic Fantasy?*
>> *Who is Afraid of Hindu-Muslim Couples?*
>>
>> *Madhu Purnima Kishwar*
>>
>> One of the most unfortunate tendencies in India's political discourse is
>> to reduce every issue into a "for" versus "against" proposition following
>> the pattern of school-college debating society's style of engagement with
>> issues. This propensity for polarizing all issues into two extreme
>> positions an important reason why almost every issue leads to a permanent
>> stalemate and we rarely move towards solutions..
>>
>> "Love-Jehad" has come to be one of the latest additions to a
>> meaninglessly
>> polarized debate on a sensitive issue. On the one hand Love-Jehad has
>> been
>> portrayed by Hindutva groups as a sinister and well planned conspiracy to
>> seduce, abduct, blackmail or coerce young Hindu women to convert to Islam
>> under the guise of love affairs with Muslim men. On the other hand, the
>> "secular" opponents of Hindutva are projecting it as a case of "freedom
>> of
>> choice" in marriage. They castigate the campaign against "Love-Jehad" as
>> a
>> conspiracy of obscurantist Hindu groups to keep the sexuality of Hindu
>> women under the control of Hindu patriarchs.
>>
>> Let's try and sift the chaff from the grain of both sides:
>> To begin with let us be clear, even the radical Hindutva groups do not
>> object to genuine marriages between mutually caring individuals even if
>> they be a case of Hindu-Muslim union. A good example of this is the
>> marriage of film script writer Salim Khan with a Maharashtrian Hindu
>> woman. Salim Khan neither eloped with nor abducted his wife. He secured
>> the family's consent and did not insist on his wife abandoning her faith
>> and family culture. Both the husband and wife not only follow their
>> respective faiths but also fully respect each other's religious
>> sensibilities and rituals. In their bedroom the wife has her *puja sthal*
>> replete
>> with Hindu deities while Salim Khan has a dedicated space for his namaz.
>> The entire family celebrates both Hindu as well as Muslim festivals.
>> Their
>> sons have also gone for inter-faith marriages and follow the same
>> inclusive
>> lifestyle. Therefore, these marriages have neither evoked social
>> disapproval nor invited any hostility among Hindus. If anything Salim
>> Khan's family is often held up as an example of inter-faith harmony.
>> However, Muslim fundamentalists do look upon Salim Khan's life style with
>> hostility
>>
>> Read More :
>> http://madhukishwar.blogspot.in/2014/10/love-jehad-real-threat-or-phobic-fantasy_17.html
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