Monday, October 13, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] Time to render justice to Sadhvi Pragya - let us wipe thisblot of shame on what is done to a Sadhu and a woman

Dear Diwan Singh Ji. You have said something rather fascinating. Can you please throw some more light on what you have said that the parties involved in litigation chose their own juries? and can you also please say what was the system of justice and do you think it could cater for the intricate and complex which we have become. 

I agree with what you have said about the British being much smarter, calculative and effective.  Regards  Devinder
From: Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com>
To: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com
Cc: Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>; "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Time to render justice to Sadhvi Pragya - let us wipe thisblot of shame on what is done to a Sadhu and a woman

Dear Devinderji,
Thats why I said, its a deep discussion. The Mughals system was not so pervasive. It did not effect the day to day lives of Indian villages. The Mughal system could not dislodge our traditonal judicial system that involved juries chosen by the parties themselves. 

What Mr. Bhatia has sent is right. The British actually dislodged everything. They were much smarter, calculative and effective. They have been so effective that most of us educated Indians do not know about traditional Indian judicial system.

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 4:15 PM, <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:
What was our legal system before the British took control of us and introduced English legal system??.In what way was it superior to the system we presently have.??  We were then ruled by the Mughals and I believe that they had the Qazi, Kotwal and Qued khana. What was the source of their law, was it based on equity or law or both or just what the Quaran said about the crime and punishment in a given situation.. Just imagine, what system of law would have existed today if the British had not come. Would it have been able to cope with the growing complexities of the society.?? What quality, and the level of legal intellect would have been applied in arriving at a judgement which would have also served as legal precedent.

You are right about the "hegemony of the British and their own need. After all they were ruling a country as big as India. It needed a fully developed social order, a transport system, and law and order machinery. without which they would have been unable to rule.

I agree with you that litigation in India is prohibitively expensive and atrociously slow and no doubt people are afraid to get involved any kind of legal action.  Devinder.
From: Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com>
To: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com
Cc: Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>; "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Time to render justice to Sadhvi Pragya - let us wipe thisblot of shame on what is done to a Sadhu and a woman

This judicial system supresses everything. People fear going to courts and the police. What use is such system that is so expensive, have no regards for local custom, culture. Our old system was pretty good, swift and delivered justice. No doubt, it needed some reforms. Its a matter of detail, can not discuss so much online. We could have continued with old system with reforms, but , then, it would not have allowed hegemony for the British. So, they brought their own, to suit their own needs.

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:26 PM, <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Most of the European Laws as well as the American laws are based on the British Law. The British law has the most well developed ystem of jurisprudence. In Indian we did not have any such system before the British rule. So there is nothing wrong with have a system which is adopted and practised by more than half the world.

I should however mention that since independence, our judiciary has developed our own case law and legal prcedents. So it is not understood how our own culture is being suppressed??.  Devinder
From: Rakshpal Abrol <rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in>
To: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>; Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com>
Cc: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Time to render justice to Sadhvi Pragya - let us wipe thisblot of shame on what is done to a Sadhu and a woman

In our country, we have adapted Indian Penal Code,1860 enacted by Britishers to supress the growth of our culture. Please o through the Statement dated 2nd February,1835 of Lord Mccauley.
You can see the same on Face-Book of RajnishAbrol.
The plan of the State Government failed as on 26th November,2008, it was meant for Sadhvi Pragya.

 
 

Warm regards,
 
Rakshpal Abrol
Consumer Activist
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rakshpal.abrol@yahoo.co.in

From: "devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com" <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com>
To: Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com>
Cc: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2014 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Time to render justice to Sadhvi Pragya - let us wipe thisblot of shame on what is done to a Sadhu and a woman

It is premature to say whether she has been punished enough or not. If we go by the gravity of the alleged crime, she has not spent enough time in jail, because such crimes entail a long term in imprisonment and any time spent in prison,  waiting for the trial is adjusted against the eventual prison sentence. This can only be decided by a fair and speedy trial which she is being denied.

The fact that she is a Sadhvi, has no value in the eyes of  law. Her status is that of a citizen and that is what she will be treated as. Sadhvi's do not get involved in criminal conspiracies to kill other people. Another political Sadhvi got away lightly was Uma Bharati who confessed to instigating the demolition of a historic structure.  Devinder   
From: Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com>
To: devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com
Cc: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Time to render justice to Sadhvi Pragya - let us wipe thisblot of shame on what is done to a Sadhu and a woman

I support this mail. shadvi pragya seems to  be punished already without being convicted. She is a saint and deserve respect from the society.
On 5 Oct 2014 01:33, <devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Roy, Thanks for the response. 

Apart from the Sandhni" aspect which arouses Hindu sentiments,  the fact that three attempts at the Supreme Court level by both Pragya Singh Thakur and Lt.Col. Prohit to get bail were refused means that there is much more to the case than the public is aware of. Additionally, the fact that the RSS prachark Sunil Joshi  who allegedly actually placed the bomb was bumped off, shows that he knew too much and his existence was dangerous for the ideologues he was working for. The alleged confession by Pragya Singh Thakur that she was responsible for his murder because he made amorous advances towards her is hardly a credible story and looks like an attempt at a cover up for it..  Regards  Devinder
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Time to render justice to Sadhvi Pragya - let us wipe thisblot of shame on what is done to a Sadhu and a woman

Dear Mr. Thakur

BJP under dynamic CM of MP is doing everything in its power to save
his Govt the embarrassment of having the poor lady die in a MP Govt
hospital.

Our Pavlovian barking dogs on this list may not know all the facts.

The Dewas Police has recently discovered startling new evidence that
murdered RSS pracharak Sunil Joshi (who was in hiding after allegedly
murdering 2 Cong MPs) was a liquor kingpin and made sexual advances to
the innocent Sadhvi. This allegedly outraged her rakhi brothers who
were associated with Joshi in his businesses and they formed a
conspiracy in which the poor Sadhvi was also roped in.

The National Investigative Agency has taken this new information very
seriously and is approaching the court to get Sadhvi's name deleted as
an accused. It is widely expected that if any unfortunate event occurs
to Sadhvi post her release, attempts shall be made to see the senior
Congress leadership in MP shall suffer like Congress suffered in
Chattisgarh.




On 10/4/14, devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com
<devinder.thakur@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Now that the government at the centre is the one who is committed not to
> appease the minorities. Now what is the problem in getting justice for
> Pragya Singh Thakur. Why is she allowed to languish in jail when she is
> innocent and needs justice. There got to be an answer for this. What is N
> moi doing to help her. and the same goes for Lt.Col. Prohit her
> co-accused.?? Devindeer
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: sanjay agrawal <sanjaynirmalagrawal@yahoo.co.in>
>>To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>>Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:07 AM
>>Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Time to render justice to Sadhvi Pragya - let us wipe
>> thisblot of shame on what is done to a Sadhu and a woman
>>
>>
>>
>>this is for the appeasement of minority.
>>"bas ek hi ulloo kafee tha veerane gulistan karne ko
>>har shakh pe ulloo baitha tha anjaame gulista kya hota"
>>now this is the time for correction.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Saturday, 4 October 2014 10:56 AM, Shaila S <shaila62@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>pls let me know how i can help pragya ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Satya D <hitaya123@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
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>>>>
>>>>It is time BJP Government render justice to Sadhvi Pragya.  Is standing
>>>> for Hinduism her sin? If she committed any crime why was she not
>>>> convicted for six years?
>>>>
>>>>I understand her health was so destroyed that she will never be normal.
>>>> It is a tragedy it is happening in India, not country like Saudi Arabia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>For heaven sake, let us fight for justice to her.  We should register our
>>>> protest to Indian Government to stop this atrocity.  We need to reach
>>>> out to Sadhu Sant to raise voice and stop this on a Sadhu and a woman.
>>>> It is a matter of shame.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Satya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>From: 'BaheUSA' via Hindu Association of the USA
>>>>> <hinduassociationusa@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>Date:
>  Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:11 AM
>>>>>Subject: HinduAssociationUSA *** Today, on her
>  b'day, we've got Sadhvi Pragya Thakur in our thoughts as we wonder if her
>
>  biggest crime was being born a Hindu in a secular country like India.
>>>>>To:
>  "hinduassociationusa@googlegroups.com"
> <hinduassociationusa@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dr. Subramanian  Swamy Today, on her b'day, we've got Sadhvi Pragya
>>>>> Thakur  in our thoughts as we wonder if her biggest crime was being
>>>>> born a Hindu in a  secular country like India.
>>>>>She's been  accused of orchestrating Malegaon blasts six years back.
>>>>> Proof ? Her  motorcycle (which wasn't in her possession for over a year
>>>>> and might as well  have been stolen like recent pune blasts) was
>>>>> recovered from the site leading  NIA to frame miss Pragya and led
>>>>> Chidambaram to coin a new term- 'saffron  terror'. No one wants to hear
>>>>> the fact that CBI and Maharashtra  ATS investigations have revealed the
>>>>> hand of nine 'minority community' guys  (and three absconding) behind
>>>>> this crime with the motive of triggering riots  in the area.
>>>>>ATS says it's got concrete proof against these nine guys but
>  NIA wants to prove its own contrived story by hook or by crook.
>>>>>Six years have gone without as much as a charge sheet but  Sadhvi Pragya
>>>>> languishes in the jail suffering mental and physical pain in  addition
>>>>> to various ailments she's acquired in the prison.
>>>>>And here we are, the so called majority of  India..watching in silence
>>>>> like gullible docile sheep, waiting for some  miracle to  happen.
>>>>
>>>>>Human rights  anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>      With regards to all,
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Satya
>>>>#evmindia,  #satyad
>>>>
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Yamuna Satyagraha
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Campaign for Preservation of Commons





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