Fully agree, Diwan Singh ji. i share my views, rarely on these debates.
Having worked in the M. E., voluntarily in West/East Pakistan, later in Bangladesh, and before retiring (1994) in Yemen & Jordan -- i note :- the Islamic clergy calls the shots. The Islamic States, tend to go under their extremists, (their armed forces ally with them, for their own vested interests !) & thus literally, run the roost.
That, historically has been the sordid game, which can easily be explained by a saying : "jiska danda uski bhains".....!
Believers in the Islamic world, regard ALL others INFERIOR to them all.
The world of the Jews (now the State of Israel, where i have been) with or even w/o the support of the US (which will never come to be !) -- will hit back, come what may, now or in the future, for-ever-more. That is why you may note that on our TV channels
("Times Now" to name one, etc.) the Pakistani panel participants (retired, high ranking armed force wallahs) refer to India linking up with Israel !
ONE more way to create hatred for the Indian nation, among their own and the rest of the Islamic world.
Much of our strategy & policy for the future has to come from a loyal armed might within our house. Thus, communalism can be put at rest -- J&K or no J&K ...!
Regards & Peace.
On 24 October 2014 13:11, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Usman,Its good to see that Hinduism and Islam are pretty similar religions and gives some comfort that we should not have much of a conflict.But, ground reality is something different. The very fact that state based on religion brings the whole difference. Pakistan, Bagladesh, and around 50 more are Islamic states and non-Muslims have inferior status in most and are persecuted.The blasphemy laws are such outrageous, that it makes life hell for most non-Muslims.The recent case of a non Muslim lady being sentenced to death in Pakistan under the blasphemy laws is atrocious.Just reading whats written in scriptures and ignoring ground realities would only exacerbate the problem.Hindus might be having their own flaws and would need to work on it.But we can afford to be wishy washy over the differences.On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Mr Usman
Thanks for your email.
The 10 points I listed were published on 18th September, 1872 and
attributed to Raj Narain Bose.
At the time, I suppose in British India the term "Islam" was not so
prevalent as it is nowadays. Wiktionary says that only since 1950
onwards was the term preferred
[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Mohammedanism#cite_note-1] for
precisely the reason cited in the point #1.
All religions have problems with zealots and bigots. And we are not
surprised to see how much Hinduism and Islam actually have in common
(theologically) and the source of the powers to keep the religions
separated in India.
Sarbajit
On 10/23/14, S Usman wrote:
> Dear Mr Sarbajit Roy,
>
> I would like to point out certain factual errors in your email.
>
> 1. There is no religion as 'Mohammedanism'. It is called 'ISLAM' which
> means submission to God's will. We are forbidden to worship or pray to the
> Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him).
>
> 2. The points 2, 3, 4, 6 and 10 are also core tenets of Islam.
>
> 3. Islam instructs man to undertake any action solely aiming for God's
> pleasure as the goal. Eternal bliss is the reward for such endeavor. (Your
> point 5)
>
> 4. In Islam, we believe that man cannot achieve salvation without the
> infinite mercy of the One and Only benevolent Creator, who loves to forgive
> and pardon all sins manifold. He forgives in excess all those who pray to
> Him for forgiveness and showers blessings for each small good deed
> thousands of times over.
> That is why even smiling and greeting a friend is considered a very
> important good deed with huge rewards in Islam.
>
> I hope the above points do make it clear that the Hidutva you have
> described and Islam are not as different as certain vested interests
> portray them to be.
>
> Sincerely,
> S Usman
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Date: Oct 22, 2014 2:54 PM
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> Cc: "Madhu Kishwar" <madhukishwar@manushi-india.org>
>
> Dear Mr. Diwan Singh
>>
>> Your ties to Common Cause pseudo-seculars need to be replied to.
>>
>> India Against Corruption is SECULAR, the RSS is not sectarian
>>
>> IAC, on its website, has defined "Hindutva" in the following terms
>>
>> "Hindutva" is an ancient inclusive way of life inherently capable of
>> harmoniously accommodating all faiths, religions and beliefs or
>> non-beliefs). As per IAC's ideology, "Hinduism is pre-eminently
>> tolerant to all other religions and believes that each man will attain
>> salvation if he follows his own religion"
>>
>> This is expanded in a full article on Hinduism, which explains its
>> "superiority" over all other religions
>> http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org.in/index.php?n=Main.Hindutva
>>
>> If Hinduism is today perceived by some apologists as "inferior", it is
>> because of non-Hindus / non-Hindis who are self-referring to
>> themselves as 'thekedars' of Hinduism to deceive the innocenti. Such
>> persons are not Hindus.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> The Superiority of Hinduism to the prevailing religions lies in
>>
>> I. That the name of the Hindu religion is not derived from that of any
>> man as that of Christianity, Mahomedanism or Buddhism etc. This shows
>> its Eternal, independent and catholic character.
>>
>> II. That it does not acknowledge a mediator between the object of
>> devotion and the worshipper.
>>
>> III. The Hindu worships God as the soul of the soul, as the heart of
>> the heart, as nearer and dearer to him than he is to himself. This
>> idea pervades the whole of Hinduism.
>>
>> IV. That the idea of holding intimate communion with God, even at the
>> time of worldly business demanding the utmost attention of man, is
>> peculiar to the Hindu religion.
>>
>> V. That the scriptures of other nations inculcate the practice of
>> piety and virtue for the sake of eternal happiness, while Hinduism
>> maintains that we should worship God for the sake of God alone, and
>> practice virtue for the sake of virtue.
>>
>> VI. That the Hindu scriptures inculcate universal benevolence, while
>> other scriptures have only man in view.
>>
>> VII. That the idea of a future state, entertained by the Hindu
>> religion, is superior to other religions, as it allows an expiatory
>> process to sinners by means of transmigration, while Christianity and
>> Mahomedanism maintain an eternal heaven and an eternal hell. The Hindu
>> doctrine of a future state is also superior to that of other religions
>> inasmuch as it maintains higher states of existence in consonance with
>> the law of progress prevalent in nature.
>>
>> VIII. That Hinduism is pre-eminently tolerant to all other religion,
>> and believes that each man will obtain salvation if he follows his own
>> religion.
>>
>> IX. That Hinduism maintains inferior stages of religious belief in its
>> own bosom in harmony with the nature of man who cannot but pass
>> through several stages of religious development before being able to
>> form a true idea of the Supreme Being.
>>
>> X. That the Hindu maintains that religion should guide every action of
>> life. It has been truly said that the Hindu eats, drinks and sleeps
>> religiously.
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