Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

IS IT TRUE THAT HALF THE HOUSE IS LESS EDUCATED THAN KEJRIWAL ?

IS IT TRUE WHETHER INDIRA GANDHI WAS A GRADUATE ? RAJIV GANDHI WAS A GRADUATE ? WHICH UNIVERSITY ?

PARLIAMENT MUST HONOUR THE CONSTITUTION WHICH IS WRITTEN ON THE BAIS OF SEPARATION OF POWERS, THE LEGISLATURE, THE JUDICIARY AND THE EXECUTIVE

WHEN ALL THREE HAVE VIRUS OF CORRUTION  IT IS PEOPLE THE AAM ADMI AND THEIR LEADER FROM CITY TO CITY WHO HAVE TO REMOVE THE VIRUS

AND ABOVE ALL WHEN THE COUNTRY IS THREATENED BY CHINA, ENCIRCULED BY THE GARDEN OF ITS PRESENCE, WHEN OUR LAND AND OUR WATERS ARE SHOWN FROM SATELLITES TO BE ENCROACHED OUR WORTHY P.M. SAYS WE MUST TRUST CHINESE WHEN THEY SAY THEY ARE NOT TAKING OUR LAND AND WATER

THE DEFINITION OF COWARD MAN IN GUJARATI  IS THAT HE RUNS AWAY FROM AGRESSOR  OUTSIDE HIS HOME AND HE BEATS HIS  WIFE AT HOME JUST TO SHOW HIS DOMINANCE,

Akhil Marfatia

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From: Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorsatish@yahoo.com>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

I do not agree that it is misguided slogan that " Parliament is servant of people of country", this is const is fact, after elections these MPs/MLAs start thinking that they are "Masters".

No doubt Parliament is meant to make laws, but it is also true, if they do not act according to wishes of citizens, citizens have right to protest and force them to make laws for benefit of people.

"Constitution is by the people, for the people", not by MP/MLAs and for MPs/MLAs.

So many laws are passed for political considerations only and so many die after introduction in Parliament, take example of "Rent Control Act amendment bill", it was passed by parliament, but was not sent to president and not gazetted, so that it dies its natural death. 

due you think if a landlord who gave his premises 50 years ago, should get same rent even today? can Govt provide him all his needs at same price as 50 years ago ( I may clarify, I do not have any rented property ), i have seen old couples forced to sell their property at throw away prices to make their two ends meet. Take an other example of commercialization of residential areas in Delhi, Corrupt people with the help of corrupt MCD/DDA, Police converted residential area into commercial, Supreme Court ordered sealing of such a units, these corrupt politicians immediately changed laws to save illegal acts. Do you know 70% of shops in DDA Market are not functioning due to illegal shopping centers. IT IS LIKE PUNISHING LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AT THE COST OF LAW BRAKING CITIZENS.

Is this not duty of the Parliament to look after such a matters?

Does every matter requires Dharana like Mr Anna did?

When parliament does not act the way they are supposed to act, citizens are forced to use pressure on them.

S.K.Kapoor

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From: USM Bish <usmbish@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Parliament is meant to make  laws. Who would you rather have
> make /  debate /  discuss laws, professionally  educated and
> qualified  lawyers OR  people  like Anna  Hazare and  Arvind
> Kejriwal  whose sole  (misguided) slogan  is "Parliament  is
> servant of some nebulous conception of "people""?
>

I am amazed at the level  of general knowledge held by some of
the  respected people  on this  group. This,  I believe,  is a
group  to  do with  RTI.  Are  they  not  aware of  their  own
antecedents ?

How has the whole RTI laws come about ?

Do people realise that Hazare was  one of the prime forces for
the RTI revolution  itself ? The first  campaign was organised
at the Azad Maidan, Mumbai,  in 1997. The State Government was
giving only promises, but it  failed to crystallise it in many
sessions  of the  Vidhan  Sabha. He  had  to make  agitations,
dharnas, morchas,  mauns/ fasts  many times.  Public addresses
were  organised in  many towns  and programmes  were arranged.
Posters, banners  and folders were printed  and distributed in
thousands. All this resulted in  the awakening of the citizens
of  Maharashtra and  making  them aware  of their  fundamental
Right  to Information.  The Maharashtra  Government made  many
promises, but it  failed to keep even one.  There were several
public  demonstrations all  over  Maharashtra  for few  years.
Finally, Mr. Hazare went on  fast-unto-death on August 9, 2003
at Azad Maidan, Mumbai. The  Govt finally yielded, The RTI Act
in Maharashtra  came into effect  in 2003, the  subsequent RTI
Act of India is derived primarily from this resource.

For the  RTI Act of India  (2005) other people also  came into
the  fray.  Two names  worth  a  mention are  Arvind  Kejriwal
and  Aruna  Roy.  There  are  other  names  in  the  list  too
which  I am omitting  at  the moment  for  brevity. The  Delhi
campaign  was mainly  Kejriwal along  with Manish  Sisodia and
Abhinandan Sekhri  (of the Public Cause  Research Foundation),
at the spearhead.  This became a silent  social movement since
1998-1999, the  Delhi Right to  Information Act was  passed in
2001. It is  strange, that the same people who  did it earlier
for RTI, are being considered incompetent for Jan Lokpal at this
stage, by some people quite oblivious of the past !

Finally, because  of pressure  from multiple centers,  at the
national level, Indian Parliament passed the RTI Act in 2005.

It is no point  decrying individuals without knowledge. People
with proven track  records cannot be put down  by ignorance of
other  people. That is  stupidity ! Please  note, for all  the
past  movements,  law  professionals always  operated  at  the
background, barring this time where there are big name lawyers
and judges in the IAC itself. It does not need lawyers to start or
direct a movement. it needs leadership qualities and dedication.

As far as history of mankind is concerned, there are only five
or six major law-givers, throughout history. All laws followed
today anywhere in the world are essentially theirs, adopted or
adapted.  In terms  of  chronology they  are Hamurabbi, Moses,
Draco, Mohammed,  Charlemagne and  Napoleon. Statues  of these
greats are permanently engraved on the walls of the US Senate.
It is  but fortunate,  that none  of them  are from  the legal
profession, otherwise nothing would have moved ;-)

Hopefully, this discourse would change the perspective to some
extent for a few.

Dr USM Bish
Bangalore