Re: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

Dear Friends,
I think we are wasting our energy on discussing trivial issue. Today, Mr. Om Puri
and Ms. Kiran Bedi are facing breach of privilege motion in the parliament. Was it
really breach of parliament's privilege or just plain speaking about those who sit
in the parliament courtesy WE THE PEOPLE/CITIZEN. If these shameless
parliamentarians would have their way, we all who don't vote for them would end up
facing breach of privilege of these parliamentarians. Sharad Yadav, who initiated
the debate on the subject and endorsed by none other than Lalu Yadav, the
perennial court jester that he is, have forgotten the drubbing they faced at the
hands of Nitish Kumar and Company. Just wait Messers Yadavs till the next
election. The country is waiting to eradicate you from the political scene
altogether. Those two MPs who have moved the motions against Mr. Puri and Ms.
Bedi, I suggest that let there be 5000 applications under RTI seeking their own
financial details because in the name of breach of privilege, these people have
forgotten that they are no longer masters but servants and all their activities
are in public domain for public scrutiny. I am planning to do this and also send
an e-mail to Ms. Meera Kumar appealing her to reject the motion using her inherent
powers as the Speaker of the House. What Mr. Puri and Ms. Bedi spoke was neither
derogatory nor breach of parliament. If Ms. Meera Kumar wants to try me for my e-
mail I invite her to do so with express desire as Mr. Shanti Bhushan had done when
he claimed before the Apex Court on the corrupt former CJIs and exhorted court to
initiate contempt proceedings.
Jai Hind
Ketan Modi

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:15:05 +0530 wrote
>I do not agree that it is misguided slogan that " Parliament is servant of people
of country", this is const is fact, after elections these MPs/MLAs start thinking
that they are "Masters".
No doubt Parliament is meant to make laws, but it is also true, if they do not act
according to wishes of citizens, citizens have right to protest and force them to
make laws for benefit of people.
"Constitution is by the people, for the people", not by MP/MLAs and for MPs/MLAs.
So many laws are passed for political considerations only and so many die after
introduction in Parliament, take example of "Rent Control Act amendment bill", it
was passed by parliament, but was not sent to president and not gazetted, so that
it dies its natural death.
due you think if a landlord who gave his premises 50 years ago, should get same
rent even today? can Govt provide him all his needs at same price as 50 years ago
( I may clarify, I do not have any rented property ), i have seen old couples
forced to
sell their property at throw away prices to make their two ends meet. Take an
other example ofcommercializationof residential areas in Delhi, Corrupt people
with the help of corrupt MCD/DDA, Police converted residential area into
commercial, Supreme Court ordered sealing of such a units, these corrupt
politiciansimmediatelychanged laws to save illegal acts. Do you know 70% of shops
in DDA Market are not functioning due to illegal shopping centers. IT IS LIKE
PUNISHING LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AT THE COST OF LAW BRAKING CITIZENS.
Is this not duty of the Parliament to look after such a matters?
Does every matter requires Dharana like Mr Anna did?
When parliament does not act the way they are supposed to act, citizens are forced
to use pressure on them.
S.K.Kapoor

From: USM Bish
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>
> Parliament is meant to make laws. Who would you rather have
> make / debate / discuss laws, professionally educated and
> qualified lawyers OR people like Anna Hazare and Arvind
>
Kejriwal whose sole (misguided) slogan is "Parliament is
> servant of some nebulous conception of "people""?
>

I am amazed at the level of general knowledge held by some of
the respected people on this group. This, I believe, is a
group to do with RTI. Are they not aware of their own
antecedents ?

How has the whole RTI laws come about ?

Do people realise that Hazare was one of the prime forces for
the RTI revolution itself ? The first campaign was organised
at the Azad Maidan, Mumbai, in 1997. The State Government was
giving only promises, but it failed to crystallise it in many
sessions of the Vidhan Sabha. He had to make agitations,
dharnas, morchas, mauns/ fasts many times. Public
addresses
were organised in many towns and programmes were arranged.
Posters, banners and folders were printed and distributed in
thousands. All this resulted in the awakening of the citizens
of Maharashtra and making them aware of their fundamental
Right to Information. The Maharashtra Government made many
promises, but it failed to keep even one. There were several
public demonstrations all over Maharashtra for few years.
Finally, Mr. Hazare went on fast-unto-death on August 9, 2003
at Azad Maidan, Mumbai. The Govt finally yielded, The RTI Act
in Maharashtra came into effect in 2003, the subsequent RTI
Act of India is derived primarily from this resource.

For the RTI Act of India (2005) other people also came into
the
fray. Two names worth a mention are Arvind Kejriwal
and Aruna Roy. There are other names in the list too
which I am omitting at the moment for brevity. The Delhi
campaign was mainly Kejriwal along with Manish Sisodia and
Abhinandan Sekhri (of the Public Cause Research Foundation),
at the spearhead. This became a silent social movement since
1998-1999, the Delhi Right to Information Act was passed in
2001. It is strange, that the same people who did it earlier
for RTI, are being considered incompetent for Jan Lokpal at this
stage, by some people quite oblivious of the past !

Finally, because of pressure from multiple centers, at the
national level, Indian Parliament passed the RTI Act in
2005.

It is no point decrying individuals without knowledge. People
with proven track records cannot be put down by ignorance of
other people. That is stupidity ! Please note, for all the
past movements, law professionals always operated at the
background, barring this time where there are big name lawyers
and judges in the IAC itself. It does not need lawyers to start or
direct a movement. it needs leadership qualities and dedication.

As far as history of mankind is concerned, there are only five
or six major law-givers, throughout history. All laws followed
today anywhere in the world are essentially theirs, adopted or
adapted. In terms of chronology they are Hamurabbi, Moses,
Draco, Mohammed, Charlemagne and Napoleon. Statues of these
greats are permanently engraved on the walls of the
US Senate.
It is but fortunate, that none of them are from the legal
profession, otherwise nothing would have moved ;-)

Hopefully, this discourse would change the perspective to some
extent for a few.

Dr USM Bish
Bangalore




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