Monday, August 29, 2011

Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

Dear Sh Sarabjit and Sh Mukhtar Sahab,

Corruption instinct generated out of greed, ego and comparison has no relevance to religion, caste, minority, color  etc. Greed is human. Those who have overcome greed will not indulge in graft. Those who have not, will do it even if they have enough. 

Anti corruption law in conjunction with  ground implementation of true NEGP 2011 and not pseudo NEGP of 2005 coupled with honest media has the potential to arrest the greed. Thus, 40 developed democracies have adopted the proven and most powerful combination of stringent laws plus NEGP coupled with tranaparent media and are in the top 40 bracket of least corrupt index. Human beings are same in 40 democracies as also in India. Thus, urge for greed will come in all human beings. The question is how to arrest it ? 

The solution must be practical and implementable in a finite time frame. The solution needs to demonstrate every single time the grave consequences of taking graft and must keep staring like a hawk into the eyes, ears, mind, heart and spirit of every individual. Spiritual teaching and following is necessary to inculcate righteousness. However, that alone is not sufficient. For completeness, this is only possible in addition, through stringent laws, indep investigation, quick punishment, true NEGP and honest media. Corruption will vanish. 

Jai Hind and Jai Janata
 
With warm regards,

Mahesh Khera

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From: mukhtar ahmed <drmukhtar555@yahoo.co.in>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

to think that only legislation can ever eradicate corruption without studying and rectifying the various anamolies of the pay /working conditions of the lower bureaucracy is to stage Hamlet without the king of Denmark.
let us  know more about the 'whys ' than imposing solutions to an intractable problems. To inpose tough laws over the lower bureaucracy would also give another handle into the hands of the bosses of the upper classes to harass religious minorities and back ward class and SC/ST employees.
 
so let us not be in a hurry .
Dr Mukhtar

--- On Mon, 29/8/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, 29 August, 2011, 11:23 AM

1) Most of the 40 developed countries are fairly small in size,
2) None of those 40 developed countries have India's population problem.
3) Half the t40 developed countries are not as democratic as we are (Singapore, Hong Kong ...)

NEGP in itself will solve nothing, neither will Anna type campaigns. If anything Anna's campaign showed how superficial his support base is. -- No Tribals, No Sikhs, No Muslims, No Adi Dhamites, No Dalits, etc.  in other words just peaceful, middle class retiree / student / NGO / farmer types waving their machine made flags / caps for the media and displaying their self-righteous bourgeise attitudes as a means of self fulfilment. Test them on diverse issues and their unity will fall apart.

Sarbajit

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Sarabjit,

I appreciate your last thought. However, how do we convert this thought into action ?

We do it the way 40 developed countries have already successfully done it and have secured first 40 positions in least corrupt index. Implement true National E Governance Plan (NEGP) using software and telecom and not the present NEGP 2005 which is bereft of public Procurement, Projects and Operations (PPOs). Bring PPOs into NEGP 2011 and just implement by 2016, India can convert your last thought in your mail into action.  2016 is possible, India is No 1 in software and No 2 in telecom but the country needs a political will to include PPO in NEGP 2011 just like it lacks a political to introduce Jan Lok Pal like bill and has pushed Govt Lok Pal. NEGP 2005 is like Govt Lok Pal and NEGP 2011 will be like Jan Lok Pal.

I was expecting Rahul Gandhi and his young turks to say the above in the Parliament. They have insulted themselves by speaking all rubbish.
 
With warm regards,

Mahesh Khera

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From: Harjaap <harjaap@gmail.com>
To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 7:18 PM

Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

Ok, then why isn't it happenning ? What is your suggestion for a plan that will work

Sent from my iphone

On 28-Aug-11, at 6:55 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Mr Harjaap (???)
>
> *I* did not go on National TV obscenely waggling *my* (comparatively
> slimmer) buttocks for the cheap entertainment of all and sundry.
>
> I'm not sure what your background in law is, but its the little things
> like a) the Constitution b) the flag c) secularism , d) justice for
> all, and e) RULE OF LAW that hold this country together. Its a proud
> day for India when sons of the soil like Mr Lalu Yadav, Mr Sharad
> Yadav etc have to stand up and defend Parliamentary democracy from
> brattish young foreigners like Rahul Gandhi (half Italian), Scindia
> (half Nepali) etc. who have slimed their way despotic way into
> Parliament
>
> I would strongly advise you to read / view what the aforesaid Yadavs
> had to say in Parliament. In any case they are all as equally
> fraudulent as Anna Hazare and IAC is.
>
> In my Humble view, there is only 1 surefire cure for corruption.
>
> "Pure, Righteous citizens who recognise corruption when faced with it
> and can chop its head off as violently as they can". This is what
> really won us our independence, and not all those bleating sheep
> shouting their slogans and waving their flags.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 8/28/11, Harjaap <harjaap@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Sarbajit,
>>
>> A few days ago you flamed at another members unprofessional use of
>> language in the group mails and at another time when your point of
>> view is contradicted.
>>
>> Mr R Srinivasan: you being an advocate would know how even the clerks
>> in the court need money to do the work they are required to be doing .
>> Hundreds of those poor lower bureaucrats you mention, pay bribe to get
>> a plum posting and then justify their corruption because they need to
>> break even and make a profit.
>>
>> There will not be. 100% concurrence on the movement. Even for the
>> Independence Movement, there were thousands of Indians, many employed
>> or enjoying British Patronage, used to ridicule the freedom fighters.
>>
>> I do not expect the import of what has happenned, to register to you
>> just yet. For some people, it will take some time to realize. However,
>> you and your families will reap the benefits.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Harjaap
>>





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