Monday, August 29, 2011

RE: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

Dear Mr Mahesh Khera,
 
I fully share your views.I have another point to add.
Unfortunately not many patriotic, honest & well read people want to enter politics. During a recent debate in Parliament  on Sat  , Lalu told Kapil Sibbal that Kiran Bedi will take you on in next elections. Prompt came Kiran's refusal to enter politics. Similarly , Arvind Kejriwal, an IIT Engineer, Ex commissioner I .Tax  (an IRS)  also refused to fight elections as indicated in India TV Adalat . There are many more .
Though such people will make excellent Parlimentarians but they just donot want to enter in this dirty pond of politics & rub shoulder with 180  criminals , Rajas , Kalmadis  etc etc in the Parliament. And that leaves a big vaccum , readily filled by the Lalus & his lot .When Thats the irony .
 Mr Srinivasan (a retd bureaucrat) says that administraion will come to a stop. No Sir, it will move faster.There may be initial resistance by the Babus because they will not get their cut. But once the time frame to complete his duty within specified days is laid down & implemented , he  will not be able to escape . Fear of fines & discplinary actions will hang on his head.
Some time back, I had to withdraw some money from PPF. I applied & waited for a few weeks . But no news. Then I was told by my office cleark who deals with this org at Nehru Place that things will not be done till some bribe is paid as  per the phone call he recd from the Babu at Reg Office . And this was a practice . I refused to oblige & went to the PPF office, met the concerned cleark & his immediate superior  Lady offr. But they gave dilly dally evasive replies.I walked in the office of the No 2, in that org , probably an IAS .  I told him that your people are asking  me for a bribe to give me my own money at time of my need .  Instead of  questioning his subordinates , he was furious & upset with me for my statement.Obviosly all this was being done within his knowledge & may be connivance. I got my cheque  a day after in mail, obviously without a cut .But then not many can take this route.
 
 Now if & when Govt switches  to e governance & time period  for a job is laid out , people will not have to make innumerable  visits to these offices but jobs will be done in a time bound manner  & the administration will run like a well oiled machinery  instead of dragging .
 
30 years back Singapore was like any backward town of India. But within a short span, this tiny country , much smaller than  most of our  states ( no minerals &  big factories) has become  a world attraction. There is practically no corruption, crime &  absolutely a  safe country. So can we, if corruption is eliminated .
 
Though people have woken up but the arrogant  & corrupt  politicians are not going to change & mend their ways easily  as we have seen during Anna's anshan.There  was a full fledge "Dirty Tricks Dept" of the Govt/Party to derail this Aug Kranti . They were almost successful to put Lokpal bill back in Cold Storage as they have done  8 times in last 42 years since 1969 !  But firm determination of  Anna & his ability to continue his Anshan for 12 days  & unparralel Public Support since Country's Independence , forced the Govt to bend .
 
Wishing Anna & Team well !
 
 
Warm Regards
 
Prem Gaba
 

Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:17:10 -0700
From: mkkhera@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

Dear Sh Srinivasan,

Sh Arun Jaitley is a an eminent lawyer and above all he is a sensible politician too. The persons I mentioned in my mail have saved the country from sinking to the lowest moral pedestal. The nation has seen the way end results have been achieved. Manish Tiwari, Sibal, PC, Mani Shankar (who called Anna a bloody rubbish on NDTV), Abhishek, Omar Abdulla, Lalu (who wants to rule the country with arrogance in Hindi it is "Raub") and a few of senior ex  offcials like former SG, ex babus, police officials, judges (former CJI) and journos whose first reaction was that all this is unconstitutional, have eaten the grass and do not know how to present themselves again on TV channels. They are all absconding and waiting for the dust to settle down and come up again on TV to show their ugly heads, hopefully now washed up and made clean. 

I never expected Rahul Gandhi to mislead the nation by his most useless speech in the  zero hour in the  Parliament. What a waste of precious 15 minutes of the zero hour. He is being projected as  the next PM by some cronies in the Cong but he showed to the nation as to what actually he is, a very low intellect man. He and all his young turks have been an insult to themselves. Instead of telling the nation, yes we need a strong Lok pal and along with this we also need to implement our National E Governance Plan (NEGP) to include public Procurement, Projects and Operations (PPO) just like the way 40 developed countries have already demonstrated to the world. These countries, all democracies like us,  have built their governance around software and telecom which has not only cleaned up the garbage but has also arrested the greed for money in neats, babus, police and judges just because e gov keeps an indelible record of their decisions which are used to punish them on the spot in case of any graft and complaints. Not only they are scared but they envision the humiliation which their gen next will have to go through if they take bribe. Thus, the sword is always on their head only for bribe avoidance. India is No 1 in software and No 2 in telecom. How ironic that others have used software and telecom to eradicate bribe, India is happy at 87 in the least corrupt index. Netas do not want public PPOs to come up in e gov as they would have no opportunity left to award contracts to their favorites in rail, roads, airports, power, education, health, agriculture, telecom, land etc (more than $ 500 m comes in five years on these projects)  and take a sizable cut to keep their parties flushed with funds to fight elections and buy votes. Babus are also happy as they also get their cut. Thus, our NEGP like Govt Lok Pal is left to address low level routine automation of birth certs, death certs, marriage certs etc which is not even 1 % of the total money out of which netas and babus can expect any hefty cuts. Thus, they do not mind NEGP implementation at a snail's speed with no review no accountability etc. True NEGP like Jan Lok Pal needs a solid political will. The next move along with electoral reforms should be to model our weak NEGP on the lines of 40 devloped countries, have a time bound implementation, monthly review on national TV, take questions from audience for last 10 mins and ensure that by 2016, NEGP is fully implemented which gives India a jump to 40 rank in least corrupt index. All included, by 2030, India is No 1 in least corrupt index.

Having said the above, the people have woken up these arrogant netas from their slumber and would remain after them should they deviate from major national issues in future. Netas are expected to drive babus for performance and when netas start taking money themselves, they become weak and instead of driving the babus keep their eyes and mouth shut and babus are happy with their share too. Anna has enabled the people to realize this and such things are expected to stop now.

Jai Hind and Jai Janata.       
 
With warm regards,

Mahesh Khera

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From: R Srinivasan <kamsri2005@yahoo.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

Apparently you have not heard ArunJaitly in Parliament.He is a lawyer and stated that Constitution has to be kept in mind.
The "Q" outside lawschools these days open your eyes to the need foe lawyers in society to uphold the rule of Law.The lawyers you have cited have spoken as politicians and not lawyers.
R.Srinivasan

--- On Sat, 27/8/11, Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mahesh Khera <mkkhera@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 27 August, 2011, 8:26 PM

Dear Sh Srinivasan ji, people like you who advised the Govt as u r doing have all been grounded to dust. Kapil Sibal, Dr Abhishek Singhvi, Mr Chindram and so. They all had one thing in common, lawyers. Saner people like the PM, Pranab Mukherjee, Arun Jaitley, Sushma Swaraj nd so on have shown true statesmanship by acknowledging that yes it is the people who have sent us to serve them nd if we do not live up to the expectations, people would throw us out so badly that our political career will go I the dust any time.
Warm regards,
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

From: R Srinivasan <kamsri2005@yahoo.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 07:40:34 +0530 (IST)
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

Anna Ha,teh bra nd ambassador  for Gandhi Cap which Gandhi himself abandoned,and his branded T Shirts has in a sense torpedoed the constitution.A case in the SupremeCourt after the lokpal bill of ANNA is passed will establish this,Kiran Bedi would have been the first to arrest him and prevent his gathering if in power as police officer has joined the band wagon .The indiscriminate use of the National Flag as if it is a party flag is in violation of the National Flag Act as it borders on disrespect.
The ultimate sufferer will be the poor lower level bureaucrat who will be an easy target and cannot defend himself. under the popular lokpal Bill
God Save the Country,
R.Srinivasan(Advocate)

--- On Sat, 27/8/11, jaiprakash  narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING
To: humjanenge@googlegzare
Date: Saturday, 27 August, 2011, 10:09 AM

very good,I am anna,u r anna,ab to sara desh hai Anna.

--- On Sat, 27/8/11, Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com>
Subject: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING
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Date: Saturday, 27 August, 2011, 8:37 AM

1. NO ONE denied MP & MLAs their "Exclusive" Right to make Rules & Laws.
IF they had done, WE wouldn't have this miserable Governance of the country.
 
2. Anna & or his team has NOT Usurped their rights.
 
3. By their DIS HONOURABLE TRACK RECORD, the parliamentarians have FORFEITED their right to be even be addressed as "Hon'able"
 
4. Anna is filling THE VACUME created by ABDICATION of Parliamentary duties by these "WORTHLESS" & the make a hue & cry of Democracy in Danger ?
 
CHORE KOTWAL KO DATE ? ? ?
 
5. LET US ALL STOP ADDRESSING THE CHORS & LOOTERS as Hon'able.
 
 
 
Thanks for your time.

Best Wishes.
 
Parvez Jamasji
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Sent: Friday, 26 August 2011 12:57 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING
Dear Mr. Rahul Gandhi:
In your speech today in parliament you said that Janlokpal bill in itself will not remove corruption.

Thats what we are also saying.  Thats why in addition to LP bill,

-- Election reforms wherein anyone who is charge sheeted should be barred from standing for elections

-- Revoke the Single Point Directive

-- Make CBI independent

-- Increase the number of judges 3 or five-fold as per Law Commission recommendations of many years ago

-- Suitable amendments to Evidence Act, CrPC, CPC, etc. to balance the rights of the aggrieved V/s the rights of the accused

-- Police reforms as per the orders of SC many years ago

--Withdrawal of the principle King Can Do No Wrong

-- Enact specific Law of Torts against the wrongs of the state and its agents

-- Etc.

Regards
Victor 

  


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