Saturday, February 2, 2013

Re: [IAC#RG] Sarbajit Roy I ask you to apologise to Arvind Kejriwal for your endless, unsubstantiated allegations

Look Mr Navnith and other friends
Pl Stop weaving web of illusions for own  self unless this be your business I mean marketing ! 
CORRUTION IS NOT A POLITICAL MOUSE OR AN APPENDIX TO A SPECIFIC  PARTY AND YOU KNOW IT   It is an issue  of charcter and citizen grooming , of instilling idealism among youth ie direction in education , most importantly design of political system that controls our lives  and of nationalism.
What partisan rubbish are you spreading Just calling names which may well apply to most every where in this society . WHY DONT YOU APPLY YOUR ENERGY MEANINGFULLY AND SHOW SOME INTELLECTUAL CALIBRE BY COMING OUT WITH SUGGESTIONS!!
Most Indians are corrupt endemically I have sat on evaluating charcter where it is lifesource for survival -the military . Found 90 % Indians who are English educated provide the officer class are corrupt the higher the rank more corrupt most Generals are corrupt !! 90% COMMON VILLAGE FOLK who make the soldier HAVE good  CHARACTER BUT UNDER PRESSURE  TO ABANDONE  It is 90% educated and urban and 99%  politicians  WHO are 99% corrupt . Now you can divide the share of all to all parties.   Well I have a table not much different to a railway time table to fit Indians in their respective stations .
And what resistance are you putting up sitting on your keyboards ? I know of French Resistance , German Resistance etc never heard of Indians putting up any resistance ever to anything except to order, discipline and cleanliness and practicing tenets of Ashoka which we flaunt as our emblem but desecrate every minute  
THANK YOU 
chauhan
maj gen (rtd)
ertwhile chairman Army Appellant Board 
fought seat for Lok Sabha as Independent in 96 Gen Elections 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Sarbajit Roy I ask you to apologise to Arvind Kejriwal for your endless, unsubstantiated allegations

Dear Sarbajit,

 The aim of all these anti-corruption bodies is to expose the unprecedented corruption indulged by the present UPA government.Methods may vary,persons may be different,but aim is the same.Then why bicker against each other.By wasting time to expose each other we are losing our aim.Arvind may have done many sins in the past,but atleast he is exposing this Government's misdeeds.Why give so much importance to a discredited loose cannon like Diggy Singh who is a chaprasi of the corrupt dynasty.

As the old adage goes; a cat may be black or white,but it should catch rats.

Rgds

navnith

 

 


 
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:32:23 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: sabhlok@gmail.com; indiaresists@lists.riseup.net; saveindiagroup@googlegroups.com
CC: ayush.das@gmail.com; somnath@bhartiassociates.com; psabhlok@hotmail.com; parivartan_india@rediffmail.com; vinayshan@gmail.com; freedom-team-of-india@googlegroups.com; aryav@sancharnet.in
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Sarbajit Roy I ask you to apologise to Arvind Kejriwal for your endless, unsubstantiated allegations

Dear Sanjeev

Firstly, I believe that the appropriate course of action for anyone who seeks to take up cudgels on Mr. Arvind's behalf would be for them to first respond with evidence to the 27 queries which Mr.Digvijaya Singh had publicly posed to Mr. Kejriwal on behalf of the public of India .

If you have chosen to forget them (collective amnesia) they are available here:-

http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in/questions-arvind-must-answer

These allegations are extremely serious. If anyone has to apologise, it should be Arvind Kejriwal to the nation and people of India.

Secondly, and I did not choose to bring this up earlier since I am a gentleman, the public of India is fed up with so many former public servants (including yourself) who descend from foreign skies scattering foreign (?) money (from unaccounted / carefully laundered sources) teaching / lecturing us about corruption and alternate governance/ economic systems.

Thirdly, I have read your book on Nehruvian socialism, and it is not well written (actually it is very poorly written) and your knowledge of economic systems (especially socialist systems) needs to be upgraded considerably. India is still a socialist country per the Constitution and your public allergy and libelous remarks about socialism betray your own anti-national leanings and agenda. Why did you leave the IAS BTW, and start working with the Australian Government ?

Fourthly, there is no question of my apologising to anybody for a blogpost you published on your website of an email I sent in response to your father when he mass-mailed me with yet another of Arvind's wild allegations (this time against Mukesh Ambani).

Fifthly, your blog/website is not a court of law. You are nobody to frame issues/charges or demand that I reply/apologise.  (And neither is Mr.Arvind Kejriwal for Mr.Mukesh Ambani).  Emails circulated privately between individuals do not constitute publication - and in fact I never gave my consent for you to publish them and I don't see what I have to apologise for.  If Mr.Arvind Kejriwal is aggrieved he can contact me directly instead of hiding under your petticoat and piddling from there. He is now a political figure and heads a political party and is up there rubbing shoulders with all the rape accused and murder accused of India whose alleged numbers in Parliament he enlightened us on.

Sixthly, insofar as one Mr. Kishore Asthana is concerned. I suppose you do know that he is ex-Tata Adminstrative Services and is directly affected by my statements concerning Tatas in this controversy which you ex-IITians have "engineered" to save Arvind's increasingly tattered reputation.

Seventhly, instead of my responding to your issues. Why don't you respond to mine ? Especially concerning role of foreign funding in people/NGOs seeking to interfere in India's governance.  This is known as LOBBYING and you seem to be such a person and should come clean about yourself.

In equity, I am publishing this email to various lists I am a subscriber of , alongwith the link to your blogposts for anyone else to interject on beyond your limited circle of cronies.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Sanjeev Sabhlok <sabhlok@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm closing this matter now with the following blog post:
http://sabhlokcity.com/2013/01/sarbajit-roy-you-must-now-apologise-to-arvind-kejriwal-for-unsubstantiated-allegations/

Sarbajit, I'm afraid you've not proven your first four allegations, leave alone your innumerous other allegations. 

s

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Kishore Asthana <asthana1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Saneev,

I would be grateful if this meaningless dribble is not copied to me. 

Just discussing what Arvind did or Ayush said or Sarbajit feels is entirely meaningless. You yourself wrote to me some time back that we must not waste time in such discussions and act. It was a very sensible statement, but you appear to have forgotten it and embarked on a never-ending discussion with this gentleman.

All everyone in this dialogue appears to be doing is wasting words. If anyone has such a great compulsion to send emails, they would do well to discuss what their own plans are, what they want to do, how they want to do it and how it would improve India and desist from going on and on about what someone else is doing and why he is doing it and what is wrong with him.

Kindly remove my email address from this discussion. 

Best wishes,

Kishore Asthana

ps: The least people writing emails can do is change the subject line. I have not done so on purpose in this email - just to show how irrelevent it is to this irrelevent discussion.
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: Sanjeev Sabhlok <sabhlok@gmail.com>
Cc: Ayush Das <ayush.das@gmail.com>; Somnath Bharti <somnath@bhartiassociates.com>; Prem Sabhlok <psabhlok@hotmail.com>; Arvind Kejriwal <parivartan_india@rediffmail.com>; Kishore Asthana <asthana1@yahoo.com>; "vinayshan@gmail.com" <vinayshan@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 30 January 2013 8:00 AM

Subject: Re: Interesting: Arvind Kejriwal's letter to Mukesh Ambani

Dear Sanjeev

This is a short and hurried reply to a rebuttal by Ayush Das to your blogpost "Explosive allegations against Arvind Kejriwal. I trust he will soon respond." I am sending this at your invite that I respond to Mr.Das.

http://sabhlokcity.com/2013/01/sarbajit-roy-please-respond-to-this-rebuttal-of-your-allegations-re-kejriwal/

Firstly, I cannot agree that the "allegations" against Arvind are "explosive". Numerous facts and charges against Arvind have been in the public domain for a very long time and some of these were again raised a few months back by Mr.Digvijaya Singh of the Congress Party. To which Arvind,  strangely,  never replied.

Secondly, I'm sure that even Arvind will agree that the IAC's interim reply to Mr. Digvijaya Singh, which Arvind could not acknowledge at the time due to his blossoming political compulsions and new sponsors, certainly blunted Mr.Singh's attack on him for the time being, and the IAC new team's own extensive credibility and media contacts ensured that IAC's counter-attacks on, say, Mr.Pulok Chatterji saved Arvind's skin when he was on the ropes. If Arvind disagrees he should publish his own reply to Mr.Singh's 27 queries otherwise it would be trivial for IAC to do so on his behalf even today.

Thirdly, it is a fact that till date Arvind does not have a single anti-corruption achievement to his credit. IAC does not count generating media publicity and rabble rousing over old and dead issues as achievements.

Fourthly, It is a fact that Arvind was caused to resign from the IRS in 2006. There is a long history as to why he did so which is not congruent with the carefully airbrushed version he puts out or is published in his Magsaysay award citation. I can say this as somebody who has known Arvind for over 10 years starting from our Delhi RTI Act days and initial meetings outside Ms. Shailja Chandra's chambers while waiting for our respective hearings.

Fifthly, It is a fact that Arvind and Manish have been accepting money from a wide range of sources  for their so called "social work". These include from various controversial corporate bodies like Tatas, Infosys etc. The media link which Mr.Das has provided is itself misleading. Whereas the headline claims that Mr. Narayan Murthy did not fund Arvind, the internal text makes it abundantly clear that Infosys through its CSR trusts (what are called as PACs in the USA) was in fact regularly financing Arvind's own trusts for many years. The same was true for the Tatas. The fact that such corporates paid Arvind's NGOs  such huge amounts - nearly a crore - (Arvind was then a serving IRS/I-T officer whose wife also was in the Serious Frauds Office which investigates such corporates) even 1 rupee makes it clear that they were either being blackmailed or had something to hide. The same goes for the dubious foreign awards regularly arranged for Arvind (by his high profile sponsors) which are well known as tax-free sources of finance for potential trouble makers to carry out the plans of the foreign donors. The phrase which springs to my mind, as its does to the minds of many other eminent patriotic people (please see the vigilonline website for the 2nd edn. of their  excellent book "NGOs, Activists and Foreign Funds"), in the context of these awards and dubious NGO entities is "he who pays the piper calls the tune". Another apt phrase would be "anti-national NGOs singing for their supper".

http://www.vigilonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=935
http://www.vigilonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=935&Itemid=99999999&limit=1&limitstart=6

Sixthly, I note that for whatever reasons there is a strong IIT alumnus movement (there are many IITians serving in the Govt as Arvind once did) which supports Arvind blindly or takes him at face value. Luckily I am not an IIT-ian and don't share your/their blind faith in his honesty or integrity. I think I have the right as an Indian citizen to freely express in what passes as a democracy my concerns about Arvind's brand of shallow activism, rabble rousing, distinct lack of actual achievement and his personal corruption.

Seventhly, I, like you, firmly oppose all forms of crony capitalism which have resulted in this out-dated and unproven long running fraud called Gandhian socialism / panchayati based rural model applied to urban India which Arvind is peddling as his economic vision for India.

Eightly, It is quite clear that Arvind and his camp had to leave IAC when the true extent of the corruption within his ranks began emerging. The initial probe proposed by them through Justice Verma fell through when even India's most high profile "rent an ex-judge" (who is in the pocket of Arvind's sponsors and incidentally also in one of the "accused"'s) declined to whitewash the public allegations against them. The same happened with the next round of ex-judges they tried to rope in. Finally they could only pick Admiral Ramdas (another receipent of fraud foreign awards which are used to reward anti-national persons especially those who have served their foreign masters while in power). The first action of this retd. Admiral was to make a 180 degree turn about what Arvind had publicly promised when he was still in the IAC. Now the AAP want a "complainant" to come forward with evidence on affidavit to prove the charges . Presumably exactly what Mr.Robert Vadra would expect from Arvind or Prashant !!!  It is clear thereby that Arvind is now just another politician who has abandoned his claim to be a corruption fighter, ie. if he ever was one !.

PS: If I have left out anything, I'll respond to that too.

Sarbajit
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Sanjeev Sabhlok <sabhlok@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit,

Waiting for your response to the key issues you initially raised against AK - and which are awaiting evidence. Then we'll come to the others, one by one. Let's all get to the bottom of this.

Regards
Sanjeev


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sanjeev

We can go round and around these ancillary issues without reaching anywhere. But

1) I will give a response to Mr. Das for your blog.
2) Insofar as the other matters are concerned,

a) It is undeniable that Mr. Arvind Kejriwal, Mr. Shekhar Singh, Mr. Harsh Mander, Ms. Aruna Roy, Ms. Maja Daruwala etc and a host of other persons associated with the NCPRI are/were  massively foreign financed either directly or through organisations associated with them..
(Can anybody make the same charge against me - to the extent of even 1 rupee  ?)

In the case of Ms. Aruna Roy (who works so selflessly in the NAC not even taking 1 rupee as salary - which would make her a public servant liable under Official Secrets Act but nevertheless gets access to extraordinary amounts of information with Govt being a member of NAC) her organisation the SWRC Tilonia (which she piously claims she handed over to some illiterate villagers) gets huge funding (tens of crores each year) routed from dubious places like Tibet, Sierra Leone and USA. Her husband Mr. Bunker Roy's sources of finance are equally curious.
 
b) In the case of Mr. Shekhar Singh (Convenor NCPRI), there is a CIC decision where I accused him of spying on behalf of a foreign entity by misusing RTI. (By spying I mean contravention of Official Secrets Act by Indian citizens to obtain and transfer information to foreigners who are paying to receive such information). CCIC Mr.Habibullah although recording some of my allegations didn't allow the matter to proceed down my course of action but denied the information to Mr. Singh using some other grounds.

c) In the case of Arvind, his actions and sources of financing between the period of 2004 to 2008 will be very interesting - especially as he was a public servant for much of this time. I have many emails on this subject already in the public domain, but as Arvind is my co-participant in the anti-corruption movement I am not raking these up again.

d) In the case of Maja Daruwala (daughter of our First Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw) and Mr.Shekhar Singh, they and their junior associates represented some of the accused in the Navy War Room spying case in various proceedings. This is in public domain

All this is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to anti-national activity of NCPRI where Arvind at some period in his development was an active participant. Now it seems he has come out of the spell they cast on him - and which I welcome.

Sarbajit


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Sanjeev Sabhlok <sabhlok@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarbajit

Thanks for this. Glad that the discussion has begun (please note all this will be published on my blog, once we have reached the final conclusion) for the matter is extremely important. I'm now waiting for your main mail to substantiate your allegations, and also defend yourself against the rebuttal by Ayush, who is, as far as I can see, a disinterested observer.

Also, given your new claims, I'd now like you to provide evidence for the following:

1. You now claim Arvind was undertaking "anti-Indian activities - spying - under NCPRI".
This is truly a serious claim. Please substantiate. Was he transferring state secrets to foreign powers? Did he harm India through RTI activity that sought information on corruption? What harm (if any) was caused India by such data supplied to foreign countries by Arvind? Have you or the police ever investigated such spying by Arvind? What was the result of such invesigation?

2. "Congress/UPA and Aruna Roy tried to hijack our movement (IAC) to keep the scam money flowing for the Congress and later she organised Sri Sri Ravisakar, Kirtan Bedia, Prashant Bhushan and a host of other "eminent" people to misguide the public of Delhi who were agitated with the information we were releasing"

You further state: "very action of his and Prashant Bhushan's is designed in such a way to ensure that nobody else can go after the culprits - who invariably manage to get away."

Now, I know Aruna Roy for many years (she may not recollect me but I have been to Tilonia, had many interactions at the LBSNAA with her and Bunker - when they were together). I've rarely come across a person of such pure intentions and commitment to India's disadvantaged, even though I may disagree with some of her philosophical foundations. I can't even imagine the kind of difficulties she has put herself through after joining the IAS, then resigning within just a year or so. Her whole life has been spent in villages. If she wanted, she could have been not just a governor or ambassador today, but possibly Prime Minister. But she chose the hard way - to reform India from the grassroots. By making such a statement you've now roped in not just Arvind but besmriched the great soul Aruna Roy who is (or at least was, till you wrote this) beyond reproach. I will now need substantial evidence on this assertion.

I trust all the points you've raised earlier, plus these new points, will be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Regards
Sanjeev


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ayush (and other friends on this thread),

Before I get into your points (in another post), perhaps it would help you to know where I am coming from.

As Sanjeev has pointed out, I did my Mechanical Engineering from BITS Pilani (batch of 1980 - passout in 1984). Thereafter, I have continuously practiced as an Engineer, whilst doing social work alongside. By God's design I was placed in certain situations which required me to quickly develop legal skills/knowledge at a very early age on both the criminal and civil side. I thereafter used my knowledge (in the 1980's and early 1990's) to help many poor people (pro bono) who I used to meet floating about in/outside courts to get their grievances redressed from the higher Indian judicial institutions.

In 2002+ We got the Delhi RTI Act. This is the time I came in contact with Arvind and his friends, waiting outside the office of Ms.Shailaja Chandra (IAS and former Chief Secretary of Delhi) who was the Chairperson of the Delhi Public Grievance Commission and also Appellate Authority of the Delhi RTI Act for our hearings.

Perhaps because of my personality, court manner, self evident public interest and precise drafting Ms. Shailaja Chandra always used to ensure I got information out of her officers, which I used to tremendous effect - silently without media publicity. The other people (mostly average Delhi citizens using RTI for the first time) including Arvind always used to get rammed by this lady who hardly ever gave them info and she used to pass all kinds of orders against them. Arvind then became leader/patron of what was known as "Delhi RTI Manch" - ie. all the people disgruntled by Ms Chandra and I attended a few of their meetings and advised them to change their approach but they refused to accept that they were wrong and Arvind kept instigating them - I realised then that Arvind is a "loser" and surrounds himself with losers. One of them, my friend Mr. Ravinder Balwani, was instigated to file a series of complaints alleging corruption against Ms Shailaja Chandra to the Lok Ayukt of Delhi, which she fought out and won eventually in the High Court.

Using the Delhi RTI Manch, Arvind came close to Mr. Shekhar Singh and Ms.Aruna Roy and became a member of the NCPRI. The NCPRI is basically a front for these 2 people and also Mr. Harsh Mander, and is a tremendously anti-national foreign financed group which has been very well exposed by Aruna Roy's IAS batchmate Dr. Krishen Kak in his book "NGOs, subversive activists and foreign funds" accessible online at the "vigilonline" website.

Arvind, who was very hard up then used to file RTIs himself or get RTIs filed on NCPRI's behalf through his network. I don't wish to comment at this time on the RTIs he was filing or their purpose or his other actions. Sufficeth to say that for his anti-Indian activities - spying - under NCPRI he was richly rewarded with 2 prizes - the Ashoka and the Magsaysay arranged by his handlers.

I have had a long running tiff with NCPRI (Arvind was too junior in NCPRI then) bigwigs as my/our RTI group the "Humjanenge" was a counter-force to NCPRI. In 2008 Humjanenge foresaw that the 2010 CommonWealth Gameswould be a great scandal/scam. Accordingly we started RTIing the bodies involved. We were taken to court by IOA and we won a tremendous victory in the High Court and info started flowing to us. This prompted a reaction by the Congress/UPA and Aruna Roy tried to hijack our movement (IAC) to keep the scam money flowing for the Congress and later she organised Sri Sri Ravisakar, Kirtan Bedia, Prashant Bhushan and a host of other "eminent" people to misguide the public of Delhi who were agitated with the information we were releasing, we withdrew at this stage but allowed the CWG scam movement to continue.

I won't comment on Anna Hazare and his role in IAC now, since we seem to have recently sorted out several matters (read about it on the IAC wikipedia page).

The present IAC is a very different operation from Arvind and Anna's time.

It would be very interesting to see how Arvind and his AAP operate/evolve. Till date I have not seen Arvind actually achieve anything against corruption except to make a big noise about it with stale information - usually obtained in RTI by someone else. Every action of his and Prashant Bhushan's is designed in such a way to ensure that nobody else can go after the culprits - who invariably manage to get away. This reinforces my opinion that either Arvind is still a "loser" or that he is corrupt.  I certainly don't want India to become a nation of losers if we go down Arvind's path.

Therefore, unlike most people, I prefer to keep my opinion on Arvind's honesty,  integrity and effectiveness open.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Ayush Das <ayush.das@gmail.com> wrote:

I have no allegiances to any org, NGO or party. I am just a common
citizen who will support anybody who works for the nation. I
admire Kejriwal's work and character immensely.

I also like Sanjeev sir's work - and hope to see more of him in future.
If indeed India can achieve a per capita of $14K as envisioned by him
- it would completely transform our country, allow us to solve a lot of
problems and would earn us immense respect & power on the Global
scene.

I have lost faith in Anna & IAC completely and won't EVER support them,
unless absolutely required to get something good done.


AD
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Sanjeev Sabhlok <sabhlok@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear AD

Given my comments policy I can't disclose your details to Sarbajit. You may, if you wish, answer his question/s directly. Pl. copy me in if you choose to respond.

Regards
Sanjeev
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Date: 2013/1/27
Subject: Re: Interesting: Arvind Kejriwal's letter to Mukesh Ambani
To: Sanjeev Sabhlok <sabhlok@gmail.com>


Dear Sanjeev

Thanks for your email.

Let me clarify that Arvind and I have known each other since our Delhi RTI Act 2001 / Delhi RTI Munch days since about 2003 and we have always been very civil to each other when we meet. We (ie AK and I) both acknowledge each other's determination to do something for the nation notwithstanding that our paths, tactics, strategies, economic policies, (and choice of friends/associates) may be (very) different.

I would certainly respond to AD's rebuttal - in considerable detail. It would help me to know who the person (AD) and their NGO ("FTI") is so that my reply would be directly on his/her points.

Sarbajit











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