Dear Sarbjit,
I agree with most of the views you expressed.Many do not know that Gandhi supported the British in the Zulu war in SA and the hostility of the locals forced him to leave South Africa.British,as shrewd as they are, were scared of Indian violence after their experience of 1857 and looked indulgently at his non-violence while sending real patriots to Andamans and gallows. When they saw the patriotic streaks in the Army and Navy(the INA and the Naval mutiny),they collectede their bags and left.They do not want to face another 1857.
While mentioning Rajaji,I do not know why you left out Nehru,the man responsible for all the malise the country is suffering now.
Gandhi's biggest folly was that he allowed Nehru to get him poisoned against Sardar Patel.If Patel was our first PM,India would have bben different.
Godse also misclaculated.He shot a tired old man.
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:24:14 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The Call of Truth
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I agree with most of the views you expressed.Many do not know that Gandhi supported the British in the Zulu war in SA and the hostility of the locals forced him to leave South Africa.British,as shrewd as they are, were scared of Indian violence after their experience of 1857 and looked indulgently at his non-violence while sending real patriots to Andamans and gallows. When they saw the patriotic streaks in the Army and Navy(the INA and the Naval mutiny),they collectede their bags and left.They do not want to face another 1857.
While mentioning Rajaji,I do not know why you left out Nehru,the man responsible for all the malise the country is suffering now.
Gandhi's biggest folly was that he allowed Nehru to get him poisoned against Sardar Patel.If Patel was our first PM,India would have bben different.
Godse also misclaculated.He shot a tired old man.
navnith
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:24:14 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] The Call of Truth
Dear Brig Seshadri
It is ludicrous to say that Winston Churchill wanted the creation of an Independent India. I must question your knowledge of history for making such a preposterous statement. (NB: all those speeches circulating on Internet groups / Facebook attributed to Churchill are FAKE and FABRICATED - as is Macaulay's speech).
Rajaji of course is a different case. He could not have made the statement, ie. if he ever did make such a statement, in 1905 or earlier for the creation of an Independent India considering that Rajaji effectively only entered National politics in 1919 after WW-I was complete and the British (being broke after the war and needing to hold India to loot it) propped up their stooge Gandhi to "head up" their puppet Independence movement and Rajaji (then a relatively unknown municipal councilor from Madras) joined him.
It would be interesting to see what the problems facing India in 1947 were. This is an extract from the inaugural speech made by the designated Head of State to the new national Constituent Assembly - please read it carefully
1) Has anything changed in 65 years of our so-called "Independence" ? How did these traitors like Gandhi and his jamooras like Rajaji subsequently scuttle the efforts of such wise people to give us a Greater India Nation.
2) Did the founding fathers actually place any protections in the Constitution to protect us from these enumerated evils ?
3) What is the solution now ?
Sarbajit
On 9/1/13, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nothing new . Rajaji said this and many other politicians INCLUDING Winston
> Churchill said this .
>
>
It is ludicrous to say that Winston Churchill wanted the creation of an Independent India. I must question your knowledge of history for making such a preposterous statement. (NB: all those speeches circulating on Internet groups / Facebook attributed to Churchill are FAKE and FABRICATED - as is Macaulay's speech).
Rajaji of course is a different case. He could not have made the statement, ie. if he ever did make such a statement, in 1905 or earlier for the creation of an Independent India considering that Rajaji effectively only entered National politics in 1919 after WW-I was complete and the British (being broke after the war and needing to hold India to loot it) propped up their stooge Gandhi to "head up" their puppet Independence movement and Rajaji (then a relatively unknown municipal councilor from Madras) joined him.
It would be interesting to see what the problems facing India in 1947 were. This is an extract from the inaugural speech made by the designated Head of State to the new national Constituent Assembly - please read it carefully
"The first observation that I would like to make is this: You will no doubt agree with me that the first duty of a government is to maintain law and order, so that the life, property and religious beliefs of its subjects are fully protected by the State.
The second thing that occurs to me is this: One of the biggest curses from which India is suffering - I do not say that other countries are free from it, but, I think our condition is much worse - is bribery and corruption. That really is a poison. We must put that down with an iron hand and I hope that you will take adequate measures as soon as it is possible for this Assembly to do so.
Black-marketing is another curse. Well, I know that blackmarketeers are frequently caught and punished. Judicial sentences are passed or sometimes fines only are imposed. Now you have to tackle this monster, which today is a colossal crime against society, in our distressed conditions, when we constantly face shortage of food and other essential commodities of life. A citizen who does black-marketing commits, I think, a greater crime than the biggest and most grievous of crimes. These blackmarketeers are really knowing, intelligent and ordinarily responsible people, and when they indulge in black-marketing, I think they ought to be very severely punished, because the entire system of control and regulation of foodstuffs and essential commodities, and cause wholesale starvation and want and even death.
The next thing that strikes me is this: Here again it is a legacy which has been passed on to us. Along with many other things, good and bad, has arrived this great evil, the evil of nepotism and jobbery. I want to make it quite clear that I shall never tolerate any kind of jobbery, nepotism or any any influence directly of indirectly brought to bear upon me. Whenever I will find that such a practice is in vogue or is continuing anywhere, low or high, I shall certainly not countenance it."
The second thing that occurs to me is this: One of the biggest curses from which India is suffering - I do not say that other countries are free from it, but, I think our condition is much worse - is bribery and corruption. That really is a poison. We must put that down with an iron hand and I hope that you will take adequate measures as soon as it is possible for this Assembly to do so.
Black-marketing is another curse. Well, I know that blackmarketeers are frequently caught and punished. Judicial sentences are passed or sometimes fines only are imposed. Now you have to tackle this monster, which today is a colossal crime against society, in our distressed conditions, when we constantly face shortage of food and other essential commodities of life. A citizen who does black-marketing commits, I think, a greater crime than the biggest and most grievous of crimes. These blackmarketeers are really knowing, intelligent and ordinarily responsible people, and when they indulge in black-marketing, I think they ought to be very severely punished, because the entire system of control and regulation of foodstuffs and essential commodities, and cause wholesale starvation and want and even death.
The next thing that strikes me is this: Here again it is a legacy which has been passed on to us. Along with many other things, good and bad, has arrived this great evil, the evil of nepotism and jobbery. I want to make it quite clear that I shall never tolerate any kind of jobbery, nepotism or any any influence directly of indirectly brought to bear upon me. Whenever I will find that such a practice is in vogue or is continuing anywhere, low or high, I shall certainly not countenance it."
1) Has anything changed in 65 years of our so-called "Independence" ? How did these traitors like Gandhi and his jamooras like Rajaji subsequently scuttle the efforts of such wise people to give us a Greater India Nation.
2) Did the founding fathers actually place any protections in the Constitution to protect us from these enumerated evils ?
3) What is the solution now ?
Sarbajit
On 9/1/13, M.N.Seshadri <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nothing new . Rajaji said this and many other politicians INCLUDING Winston
> Churchill said this .
>
>
> Dear IAC
>
> About 90 odd years ago, on 19 August 1921 somebody (whose genes I carry)
> delivered "The Call for Truth" soon after returning from the USA and
> elsewhere. This was the clarion call for "True Swaraj" given in 1905 (not
> Gandhi's "Fake Swaraj" of 1909).
>
>
> About 90 odd years ago, on 19 August 1921 somebody (whose genes I carry)
> delivered "The Call for Truth" soon after returning from the USA and
> elsewhere. This was the clarion call for "True Swaraj" given in 1905 (not
> Gandhi's "Fake Swaraj" of 1909).
>
> Here are 2 brief extracts from a core paragraph in that call.
>
> "Alien government in India is a veritable chameleon. Today it comes in the
> guise of the Englishman, tomorrow perhaps as some other foreigner; the next
> day without abating a jot of its virulence, it may take the shape of our own
> countrymen. ... So in 1905 I called upon my own countrymen to create their
> own country by putting forth their own powers from within. For the act of
> creation is itself the realisation of the truth."
>
> "Alien government in India is a veritable chameleon. Today it comes in the
> guise of the Englishman, tomorrow perhaps as some other foreigner; the next
> day without abating a jot of its virulence, it may take the shape of our own
> countrymen. ... So in 1905 I called upon my own countrymen to create their
> own country by putting forth their own powers from within. For the act of
> creation is itself the realisation of the truth."
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