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Let me address some of your points
1) Salman Khurshid is one of those khaandaani congress muslims - like Mr Habibullah, who form the courtier class (also known as running dogs). To expect that they will contribute anything to preventing corruption is like expecting the tail will wag the dog.
2) Are you saying that vast majority of Indians are NOT simple and decent people ? If so then we definitely need a new breed of Indian !
3) I disagree that Anan Hazare has the people's support. Everything was stage managed by Congress Party and Baba Ramdev and a few of Mr Hazare's Maharashtrian goons.
4) As to new Indians, I will be explaining it to the group from May.
Sarbajit
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 5:09 PM, S. Anoop Kumar <s.anoopkumar@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Roy,
Mr. Chandra Jain posted his message at 10.54 a.m. on 25th. I received
a copy of the message in my mail box for he has marked a copy to me in
addition to few others. The message was held up in the moderation
loop and the message was not cleared for posting till today morning.
And I posted my message at 07.16 p.m. in which I mentioned that the
message of Mr. Chandra Jain was not cleared from the moderation
loop. And Mr. Chandra Jain's message and also my message got cleared
and were cleared for posting together on the message board only today
morning.
I have already expressed my views on several bills already in place
and their (in)effective implementation. And we are fondly looking at
Lok Pal Bill to overcome such maladies. And people are working
towards it. Let us give it a try. We have nothing to lose any
further.
I beg to disagree with you - "that the majority of Indians are simple
decent people who should not concern themselves with high levelcorruption". Who is paying for this loot ? It is the simple decent
people and tax payers who are overburdened with all sorts of taxes in
various forms from birth to death. If simple Indians were not be
concerned than Anna Hazare and his team would not have received so
much of support which shook the highest seat of power, that of the
prime minister himself. The outburst of the simple Indians was
spontaneous and was there for all of us to see.
I am aghast that you feel that bloody violent revolution is required
to safeguard (our) democracy and the values. I cannot & will not
subscribe to your views. And I am clearly at loss as to what you
meant by - "We need new Indians not new laws". Perhaps most of the
group members would like you to solve this interesting riddle to get
the clear, hidden and the intended meaning.
With best regards,
S. Anoop Kumar.
> http://groups.google.com/group/HumJanenge/browse_thread/thread/3df600...
>
> You will see that Chandra Jains message WAS posted to this group about
> 10 hours before your message
> It seems that you have no respect for the moderation abilities of the
> management of this group or their honesty and integrity.
> It seems that you have more faith in a bunch of communal and corrupt
> people who are doing their best to fragment our country.
>
> I note that you have evaded replying to my point on the status of all
> the other laws on corruption. At the end of the day even the LokPal
> Act will only be just another law to be implemented. Certainly every
> order made under it will be subject to appeal in a High Court or the
> Supreme Court. Is LokPal Bill going to magically clean up the mess in
> these Courts ? Today I have a Contempt matter I filed in SC listed
> ( in MC Mehta pollution matter). The Court is taking it up as a "New
> PIL" along with a similar clutch from 2005-2006 after a delay of 6
> years - and that too only after I sent an email last month to the
> Registrar General of the Court complaining of the pervasive corruption
> in the SC Registry. I m certain the bench will wring its hands in mock
> anguish and dispose of the matter as infructuous now that all the
> contemnors have retired. If the SC has no respect for contempt against
> itself, then should citizens believe in law and justice, or should
> they take up arms to defend the state ?
>
> I reiterate that the majority of Indians are simple decent people who
> should not concern themselves with high level corruption. Tackling
> such high level corruption is not going to be solved with laws, laws
> and more laws. They can only be solved with a bloody violent
> revolution to safeguard democracy and the values enshrined in our
> Constitution. Indians today are soft weak and lazy. We need new
> Indians not new laws
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Apr 25, 7:16 pm, "S. Anoop Kumar" <s.anoopku...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Dear Mr. Sarabjit Roy,
>
> > Your opinion appears personally & grossly biased towards few persons. Whether it is Justice Santosh Hegde or Anna Hazare or the others. You are clearly not looking at the bigger picture. Or is it a case of 'severe heartburn & nothing else' as mentioned by Mr. Chandra K Jain in his message, the message which did not find place on the group message board or conveniently removed.
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> > The need of the hour is a strong anti corruption bill that works. The existing legislations have proved to be ineffective and have been misused, exploited or taken for a spin by our hardcore politicians and bureaucrats. Again and again. And you are certainly aware of the same. Our laws have been changed with the changing times. And that is required to keep pace with the dynamics & laws of motion. Several of the acts have been amended and several have been repealed and some have been superseded. If Lok Pal Bill can supersede any other weaker laws what is wrong in it ?
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> > You are questioning the fairness in the constitution of the draft committee from the civil society side just because it does not include a Muslim, a Christian, a Parsi or a Adi Dharmi. I do not know your community but you state that you represent a ten million strong community. It is sad this is coming from you, of all the people. Now you want the committee to be divided and formed on religion lines. Mayawati already raised that the committee does not contain someone from dalit community. And she wants the committee to be divided and formed on caste lines. Some one else will stand out and would demand that each state should have a member in the committee (what prevents ?). And every political party would seek representation in the committee. After all this is democracy. The people who are opposing the committee and dividing the same on caste and communal lines are the people who do not want such a bill taking a shape, leave alone getting it passed in the legislature. All their efforts are pointing towards derailing the entire process. And these are the same people who have brought us to this sorry state of affairs today.
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> > Anna Hazare never claimed he was a war hero. He was a driver in the army and was a partaker in the 1967 war. And Anna is reported to be using his piece of land (gifted to him by the govt.) for the welfare of the community. And Anna has earned his respect for the deeds he has done for the community. The govt. relented and is in the process of making a Lok Pal draft bill all because of Anna's involvement. Any other person would not have made such an impact on the government.
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> > If you cannot make a fruitful contribution atleast do not criticize or belittle or throw stones at others who are working on it and are trying to be open and transparent. And this would be your most constructive contribution to the nation. And we would all appreciate it.
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> > Just for your info, Mr. Salman Kursheed is not only a Muslim, but is also a Union Minister of Minority Affairs. And he is a member of the draft committee.
>
> > Regards,
> > S. Anoop Kumar.
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