Re: [HumJanenge] Democracy Best But Indian Democracy on One Leg, Advani 2014 Ready

DEAR COL JAYAKARAN,

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COL THAKUR SINGH 

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Ravinder Singh <corruptionfree04@gmail.com> wrote:

Democracy Best But Indian Democracy on One Leg, Advani 2014 Ready 

 

Friends,

It is highly erroneous to say Democracy is not working anywhere – when it is actually working exceptionally well for centuries. It is mischief firstly to say economic problems in Developed Countries are due to failure of Democracy when it is due to very high cost of natural resource these countries consume, very high wages that has hurt their economies, second it not India that brought about their downfall but mainly Asian Tiger Economies led by China and thirdly undeveloped India too is heading for economic disaster as factories are shutting down here and equipment of major projects and consumer goods are sourced from China.

 

This is the biggest national tragedy that Indian Democracy didn't face any real competition from opposition all these post Independence Self Rule. Maximum seats in Lok Sabha won by No.2 party are just 180 in 545 member parliament that has reduced to just 116 in 14 General Elections.

 

No discussion will be fruitful if we ignore L.K. Advani running Marathon 23000 day political race to become Prime Minister of India. In the mean while since he founded BJS in 1951, Ghosts who were not really in race became PM, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Indira Gandhi, Morarjee Desai, Ch. Charan Singh, Rajiv Gandhi, VP Singh, Chander Shekhar, Narsimha Rao, Dev Gauda, I.K. Gujral, Atal B. Vajpayee and Manmohan Singh all became PM unexpectedly or accidentally.

 

If LK. Advani wish to register with Guinness Book of World Records he can find his place among 'Record Holders' for Longest Tenure as Opposition Leader and Longest tenure waiting to become Prime Minister.

 

It is real tragedy to learn L.K. Advani has declared himself as Official BJP Leader and PM Candidate for 2014 General Election when we are discussing limiting tenure of our MPs.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._K._Advani

http://164.100.47.132/LssNew/Members/Biography.aspx?mpsno=9

LK Advani was GS of Karachi unit of RSS in 1947 and was founder of BJS in 1951 that we know presently as BJP. Going through his official biography it is evident that this top leader of No. 2 Party could become Metropolitan Council head in 1967 after losing so many elections.

 

L.K. Advani couldn't win first Lok Sabha birth even after dissolving BJS in 1977 to form Janta Party and was Minister from Rajya Sabha during Janta Party rule. BJP was reduced to 2 seats in 1980 election.

 

He was first elected to 9th Lok Sabha in 1989. He had presently already enjoyed 6 terms of Lok Sabha and aspiring for 7th and 4 terms of Rajya Sabha.

 

This most disgraceful Loser in Lok Sabha was sent to Rajya Sabha by elected winner members of his party's juniors in states on four occasions.

 

Advani even after winning the first Lok Sabha birth in 1989 was not accepted by majority non Congress Parties and was for two years Leader of the Opposition.  

 

Advani won second time 1991 to celebrate his second Lok Sabha win was to go on Rath Yatra with aim to demolish Babri Mosque and unfold communal agenda. There was No Corruption, There was no Black Money, There was no Cow Slaughter, There was no 370, There was no Farmers Suicide, There was no 500 million Hungry Souls bothering him.

 

He lost Lok Sabha again in 1996 but won again third term in 1998 and this time 'Exploding 5 Nuclear Bombs' was his priority. Soon there was Kargil war and for next 5-6 years Indian Army was in eyeball to eyeball contact with Pakistan Army.

 

He won yet again 1999 with agenda to introduce Ambanis in to Oil & Gas, Refineries, Telecom, Retail, Power, Insurance etc.

 

People didn't accept BJP rule was defeated but he was ready as Opposition Leader for five years. This time he opposed Nuclear Power even as all BJP ruled states wanted Nuclear Power.

 

Lost again in 2009 but strategy was changed this time – Advani engaged Gadkari to defame Prime Minister and planted Sushma Swaraj as leader in Lok Sabha and indirectly hired Ramdev, Bhushans, Anna to undertake Lokpal bill when all BJP states had no Lok Pal or Lame Duck Lokpal in Santosh Hedge.

 

His party didn't win a single seat in this year's State Elections.

 

Conclusions:  -

 

- Indian No.2 Party politically had no Development Agenda.

 

- Party No.2 was always creating MISCHIEF than fulfilling Constitutional Function as main opposition party demanding equitable distribution of resources and selection on the basis of merit at all levels.

 

- Indira Gandhi and her daughter in law Sonia experienced toughest political battles while other Prime Ministers were propped up by accident or little maneuvering.

 

- None explained in detail their Economic Agenda.

 

- Major political initiatives like Black Money and Corruption need CONSENSUS among Political Parties that is absent in India so far.

 

Ravinder Singh

Sepember22, 2011

 

J S Ahuja <brig_ahuja@yahoo.co.in>

 

Democracy is the best if Transparency, Accountability, Responsibility and practically no Flexibility form part of the governing system.

For example the Commissioner of a Municipal Corporation should be made accountable for the pot holes on the roads, water stagnating in low lying areas, garbage is lying scattered in open. Things will change over night with very little scope of corruption.

 

M K Singhal <mk.singhal@yahoo.co.in>

 

Can some one elucidate what is part less democracy. Do we have any precedant in any country.

 

I agree that party based democracy is not conducive to healthy governance and some rethinking about functioning of democracy is needed.

Mksinghal

 

J S Ahuja <brig_ahuja@yahoo.co.in>

 

The main reason for the present day situation is spoiled bureaucracy befooling public,media and politicians during the last 64 years . Make them accountable todat ,things will change tomorrow.

 

IJ's Message >>>

 

Sarbajit,

 

           I feel the villain of all these happenings is our "political system," viz, party type democracy. (You know in Tamil Nadu alone, there are 54 parties !) The current system keeps the intellectuals away from politics.  Actually, the intellectuals shun to fight the elections and the political party bosses will not nominate them for elections.

 

            Let's have the highly competent Indians above the age of 55 at the helm of affairs and they need to serve only one Lok Sabha terms and thereafter retire. We need to identify such personalities and compel them to stand for elections. The election system will have to be modified and the candidates concerned are not to invest any money. Only four or five candidates per constituency will be selected by a Citizens' council to stand for elections. The government should do the publicity for them. The cost of election to a candidate will be next to nil and money will play no part in the Indian elections at all. In this system, all and sundry cannot stand for elections but only those nominated by the Citizens council which will consist of Indians with competence and several achievements to their credit. Let the system not depend on party wise numbers but in numbers based on truth, conscience and the best interest of the nation.  The criminals and vagabonds and incompetent persons will never step into the Lok Sabha by this approach.  

 

                                    Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd) Signals, Chennai, India.

Hello Jai,

 

         Our party type democracy is not flourishing because an MP views every legislation from his  personal point of view  - (a) will it benefit him, will it make him rich, will it make him continue in office (b) is it in the interest of his party.  No one thinks if a legislation will be in the interest of his country?

 

         So, let us go over to a party less type of democracy whereof only the intellectuals participate.  Next, restrict the tenure to one term. Next, keep politics open only for people beyond 55 years.

 

                                        Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd), Signals

 

Mukund Apte <mdapte@gmail.com> 

 

      Dear Sir,

      Not only our Democracy is not doing well but Democracy is not doing well and never will. The base of Democracy is COMPETITION. Where Competition is involved, Selfless Service will be the victim. This has been proved again & again. Can you show Democracy functioning well in any country even now?

 

      Kindly also note that except time nothing has changed from Mahabhaarat times. Only Man has changed (and become worse) Man to be peaceful and comfortable needs his worries taken away by his leaders. For that leaders need to be selfless. Under Competitive environment can you find ANY selfless leader?

 

      Read my e-mail again and ponder over before deciding, I pray.

 

      With regards to all,

 

      -------Mukund Apte

 

Dear Mukund,

 

             Your thinking is exactly like mine as regards the functioning of our Indian Democracy.  But you cannot deny the fact that several democratic institutions like election commission, Supeme court etc have taken deep roots. But I agree the right people are not sitting in the Lok Sabha. In fact, the intellectuals keep away from politics.  We need to pull them in. In my opinion, India is not suitable for multi party democracy at all. We need a different system altogether and yet within the mechanism of democracy.

 

             I have writtena paper on a modified form of democracy for India and  have given it  at the attachment. Please do read it and let me have your views.  I am convinced that this is a far better system and Anna Hazaree may work on this concept.

 

             Regards

 

                                 Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd), Signals, Chennai,