Dear Pani Ji ,
Unfortunately , No where in the Act or Rules it Is Said /empowred/ delegated/Relegated /Discretion ptovided to demand from any Person by an PIO to his Citizenship. I Have already enumarated in My earlier Mails that InOur Country Each Card is unique and Serves an Purpose . If I take your argument and Strecth It as Done and Carried by the Government and information commissioners why are they Demanding the income certioficate from A BPL card Holder because of the Only That it is mentioned "to draw rations only" Like wise None of the Cards Issued to Any Of us Donot speak that we are citizens of india . Even in the Pass port it is written Nationality "INDIAN" which Means you are of Indian Nationality But No mention of Citzenship Further under the Caption Registration it is Written Indian Citizens resident abroad are advised to register themselves at the nearest Inmdian Mission /post ...... Why is this Written . Our Final argument is that No PIO or For that Matter Any Public servant cannot interpret the act Which is soveriegn authority of the Parliament and therefore he is not Empowered to raise these absurd and fillibustrous Queries I am now in preparation of Long and Lengthy Paper on this Very subject Matter . It would suffice to state that in One of our Government Departments the Discretion to Spend emergency money as discretion was Rs 100/- and They were spending it even to Bring imprest and postal stamps but one Fine Day During an audit the auditor Said when the Word is Rs 100/- it is only Upto Hundred so Spending Rs 99.99 is ok But NO No to Rs 100/- as it Violates the Discretionary power , so You Have to Get all others Reimbursed or Get them Approved . So then all our laks & laks of RTI requests in the Country Become Faulty in the sense they donot have Citizen proof of the requesters and What should Be done Charge all PIOs under the Service /conduct Rules with At least Minority penalty proccedings ---- what an idea sirji ,
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
--- On Sat, 24/9/11, JSD PANI <jsdpani@gmail.com> wrote:
From: JSD PANI <jsdpani@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] RTI reply - a new trend
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, 24 September, 2011, 10:49 AM
I have read the mails. Let us not go with emotions. Activism is not emotion, though emotion triggers activism. Assume that PIO is asking for proof of citizenship as a delay tactics or to make the applicant frustrate and refrain him from making applications. Well. At the same time as a responsible citizens we need to respect the legslation. Legislation say that information can be obtained by the citizens of India. Hence it becomes our responsibility to provide proof of citizenship when demanded by the PIO. There are ID's to establish citizenship. Regards JSD Pani
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote: | Dear Captain , RTI Act Works on the Idea & Ideal of the Citizen of This Country Being the Master and All Public servants , Servants of this Master . democracy is For ,by & To the people . There fore If you Understand this Great Principle and Practice it , There should Not Be any Address as To the "PLEASE" Because the Public servant Works at The pleasure of the Master not Vice -versa . If There are people Who want to scuttle the Act , We Should Not surrender to Such Persons But Fight them Effuciently The question of One Being of or From same department , Kith Or kin Does not arise . By Your Prefix I Understand you yourself Must be an Ex service man and Are kindly aware of the Age old proverb "every thing is Fair in love & War " Since RTI act 2 005 Has a Preamble Which Speaks of "Containing Corruption and Hold the Govt's & its instrumentalities Accountable to the Governed and If Relavation of Information in actual Practice is Likely to conflict ..... etc and therefore it is Expedient to provide for Furnishing Certain Information to Citizen who desire to have it . Therefore There is a conflict here of the actual practice and RTI Act 2006 Prevails . Here as Per the Mail The seeker or requester is an retd Officer and He will Not be in possetion of the ID Card , since He will have surrenderd it at the time retirement . Also If You Read the ID Card Will There be a mention or Any Mark , Etching or Any Indication that the Card Holder is an Citizen of India . If I am the PIO i will Certainly Query this Next on your submission of the ID Because i am a dubting tom and want to carry effient Opertation of My JOB Due Have any Counter to this line of argument N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. --- On Wed, 21/9/11, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] RTI reply - a new trend
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 4:54 PM please send a photo copy of your id which prooves that you are a citizen of india. please remember there are plenty of people who wants to scuttle the Act, frustrate an applicant so that he/she stop asking questions, particularly if one belongs to same deptt.
--- On Tue, 20/9/11, Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] RTI reply - a new trend
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Date: Tuesday, 20 September, 2011, 3:06 PM
M. Rangarajan, (retired Group General Manager ONGC) B 2 – 301, SRIRAM SPANDHANA, Chellaghatta village, Bangalore – 560037. Phone: 25227955, mobile 9945091581 Dated 20th September 2011 Dear friends / RTI activists, I asked for some information from M/s Chennai Petroleum Corporation Ltd, a Government of India Undertaking under Ministry of Petroleum under RTI Act. I am enclosing copy of letter for information of all. The gist of letter is as followes: I quote: In compliance with Sec 3 of Right to Information Act 2005, we request you to kindly send us the proof for citizenship like a copy of Election Identity Card, or a copy of tje Passport issued by Govt. of India or any document duly attested by a Notory Public / Executive magistrate to eable us to procede further. Unquote. I have sought information from many Cental Government Department, State Government Departments, and Public Sector Undertaking etc and so for none .have asked for proof of my Citizenship. This appear to be uncalled for and illigal new trend. I would very much appreciate some advise - how should I procede further. warm regards / rangarajan
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