Dear Mr Dua and others,
The agitation is Not against the work the Armed Forces are being asked to do as per terms they signed up for but against blatantly under paying them while in service and retired as compared their counter parts in the civil services.
Their interse status and remunerations have been reduced with vengeance after each Pay Commission as a conspiracy by the Bureaucrats while enhancing their own. (They have even managed to get raise in status and salary/perks for not doing corresponding work thru NFU!!! This is LOOT OF THE NATION ).
Armed Forces have been even denied representation in the Pay Commissions all along in spite of constant requests.
When normal, requests and representations to the highest authorities went unheeded for decades not years, with a very heavy heart the veterans started the agitation. Any country's Armed Forces personnel resorting to agitation is a very very serious matter.
If you think this is GREED and not legitimate reaction to blatant Tana Shahi by Babus (who have the ear of the politicians), well what can one say.
Harbhajan Singh
Lt Gen
From: R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Wednesday, 28 October 2015 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP
Generally what we need to understand here is that all the gentlemen n ladies in Armed Forces are JUST performing their duties which they were aware at the time of joining forces.
The nature of duty is clear and no has forced them to join,am sure.
We Indians have misplaced sense of heroism as far as our work is concerned.
We like to think there is no one better than us or more hardworking..This is mostly in all streams and as one can see our Armed Forces are no exception.
Regards to all.
The nature of duty is clear and no has forced them to join,am sure.
We Indians have misplaced sense of heroism as far as our work is concerned.
We like to think there is no one better than us or more hardworking..This is mostly in all streams and as one can see our Armed Forces are no exception.
Regards to all.
On 28 Oct 2015 11:38, "Ramesh Sharma" <rnsgss@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear members of the group,This mail is directly addressed to those who are ranting against the peaceful "agitation" of the "greedy" veterans.Do I understand that the members who have aired their views against the "greedy" veterans are perfectly happy when their employer hires them with certain "Terms and Conditions" of service and, after they take up the appointment their employer, surreptitiously (without their knowledge) changes these terms. Now, after discovering this treachery, do you suggest that these employees take it lying down? Would you do it?Do I also understand that these people are smarter than the the two Parliaments which approved the OROP, the Koshiary Committee, which carried out a detailed analysis and agreed with the OROP and the Supreme Court of the country which ruled in favour of this demand of the "greedy" veterans? If yes, then I would highly recommend that these people should be immediately appointed to some important posts so that they can make a "positive" change in the country.I remember reading someones views on how to deal with this problem. That someone had made a recommendation to the Prime Minister that the country's Armed Forces should be disbanded which would save all the money that the country is "wasting" on maintaining such a force. Of course, in the case of an attack on the country we could either ask these luminaries (the ones who I am directly addressing this mail to) to deal with the situation to safeguard the nations independence or, better still, just go back to being slaves ... once again.Obviously, I am totally confused as to why the nation is not supporting the demands of the "greedy" veterans and would like to request someone to please clear my confusion.Regards,Ramesh SharmaOn Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Sandeep Dixit <sandeep4731@gmail.com> wrote:Completely agree with Mr Roy, Mr. Ramani and Mr. Kapoor. 50,000 crores in pension to defence chaps every year. Plus the added burden of OROP. While the overwhelming majority of people of India, like me, Mr. Kapoor and Mr Roy, get not a penny in pension and get cleaned out with an acute medical illness, this whining by former soldiers doesnt end. We are so sorry we had greedy fellows like you to man my borders. And mind you it is voluntary. I have covered defence and visited their remote locations. We have kept our lips sealed in national interest about the goings on. Ketchup colonel is nothing. There are many good guys in defence but unfortunately the greedy ones dominate. STOP IT WILL YOU. Best wishes. Sandeep Dikshit.On 29 Sep 2015 11:04, "AV Ramani" <av.ramani@gmail.com> wrote:SHAME ON RETIRED DEFENCE SERVICE PERSONNELS WHO MADE MOCKERY OF SERVICES MOTTOAV RAMANI BE MTECH IIT KGPOn Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Satish Kumar Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:Dear Sarbajit jiI agree with you.Unfortunately these veterans do not want to listen other sideI stopped discussions because these people started talking nonsenseOne officer went to extent that you, your father, your grandfather ran away from Pakistan during partition to save your lives , you are refugees etc etcAs such it does not make any sense to discuss with such a peoples.S.K.KapoorOn Sunday, September 27, 2015 6:19 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"Dear Brig Saha
It seems our veterans lose their ability to detect friend from foe
once they retire if you lot routinely dish out terms like "traitor" to
describe your channel hosts.
FYI, I am not a babu. Neither do I get any pension / salary from the Govt.
What "I" am is the poor fool who pays for all the worthless and
whining rascals hiding behind terms like patriotism and nationalism
for their greedy / selfish ends. I am the person who pays for ketchup
colonels and their fake encounters. I am the person who pays for
Adarsh Housing scams. ...
You people were paid enough for any work you allegedly did while in
service. If you couldn't save while you were in service I fail to see
why we citizens should pay for your existence and your booze once you
retire. (NB: By "you" I mean each and every person who gets a pension
- starting from our worthless MPs)
I am sure that many ordinary citizens would say much the same thing
once we leave the hypocrisy behind.
Best regards
.
Sarbajit
On 9/27/15, kashi saha <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Sarabjt,
> Why you donot you spk of the harm done by the your patriotic IAS super babus
> by blackmailing the Politicians. When a person joins a service with certain
> terms and conditions through Gazette notification how can it be changed to
> down grade the same in pay and pension. All veterans and those who defended
> the nation till 1971, are all pre 1973 order issued removing the OROP and
> pension quantum( 70% of last pay drawn). Those are people fighting in
> peaceful manner trying to bring sense into these people in power.
> You are asking us to fight with you( It seems from your comment you are one
> of those glorified Babu ) to bring down your self enhanced privileges, why
> is our job you deserve it or not you convince the Govt. what we are
> interested is a parity you increase yours increase ours too. You do not do
> any thing extra to contribute to the nation. You do your bit and we do our
> bit. If you fail we take on the job even if it is messed up so that the
> nation do not suffer. and if we fail in our job you can only suck your
> thumb. What you IAS/IFS and Political Nexus have done so far:
> 1. In 1971,You messed up the with your foreign policy with Bangladesh after
> the liberation. And it is a thorn on our back, a small helmet for terrorist
> and entry point of CFCurrency and terrorist . A proactive policy could have
> avoided all this
> 2. After 1971 You messed up with your policy against Pak even after we had
> handed over a trophy of more than 90K Pak POW., you could have bargained all
> our POW and POK.
> 3. In 1947 You messed up the Kashmir by asking us to Ceasefire when we were
> in the verge of taking over now so called POK
> 4. Twice we took over Strategic passes in Kashmir you forced us to hand them
> over now the Chinese with their armed forces have a strategic road to PAK.
> 5. Srilanka you created a problem and now we are loosing it to China.
> 6. Myanmar oil pipeline to China again failed in your foreign policy.
> 7. Internally Naxal, NE interstate relationship, sharing of water allocation
> of development fund and projects , you failed every where.
> Why IAS?? to protected constitution at national interest irrespective of
> party in power, advise the politicians who are masses rep against
> unconstitutional, antinational actions. Look into your self are doing that.
> How can any one justify subsidized food for the MPs, pensions with OROP
> principle for the MP with even one election win, There are few Khemkas and
> Chatuvedis but majority of you are self serving un patriot, with yes sir
> attitude for kushy transfer Children studying abroad and after 60 years Apex
> scale pension and member of a commission.
> You are the traitors and need to be sorted out not the politicians.
> Jai Hind Brigadier Kashi Nath Saha Mob: 9810728364 Email:
> knsaha44@yahoo.com
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