RE: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

28/10/15

Dear Sirs,

The following conclusions can be safely drawn from the discussion on OROP-

1. That the Govt. reduced the pension for Armed forces from 70% to 50% in 1973 after the Bangladesh War. It was certainly not fair to those who joined the Armed forces prior to that date.

2. That the Govt. increased the pension of civil servants from 30% to 50% which clearly negates the ground of austerity as a measure of economy applied for defense forces.

3. That the institutions like Parliament and Supreme Court have accepted OROP as justified and correct in principle. It is only the Govt. is dragging its feet on finding adequate funds to implement it.

4. That the cost of pension for defence forces is more than 50000 crore and orop will cost another 8000 crore.

  Some people find it high. But no one has given any comparative figure of pension for civil servants. It should be given not only for Central Ministries and Departments but also on judicial services and legislators to make a proper comparison.

5. That no one should get abusive including the channel host Mr. S. Roy and hurt the sentiments of others. I personally  feel one gets abusive only when one takes it as a personal insult. But here we are only to discuss issues objectively and  without any animus.

6.That placed as we are in the hostile neighborhood specially from the West and the North, we can not afford to relax on the defence of the country for a long time to come. Let us not forget that both the world wars were fought because of the hostility of only two countries-Britain and Germany.

7. My own opinion is that for health and welfare of a nation-the role of a soldier,Farmer and Doctors are very important.

Regds

JKGaur 

---

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 08:45:47 +0530
From: rnsgss@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
CC: kapoorssatish@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear members of the group,

This mail is directly addressed to those who are ranting against the peaceful "agitation" of the "greedy" veterans.

Do I understand that the members who have aired their views against the "greedy" veterans are perfectly happy when their employer hires them with certain "Terms and Conditions" of service and, after they take up the appointment their employer, surreptitiously (without their knowledge) changes these terms. Now, after discovering this treachery, do you suggest that these employees take it lying down? Would you do it?

Do I also understand that these people are smarter than the the two Parliaments which approved the OROP, the Koshiary Committee, which carried out a detailed analysis and agreed with the OROP and the Supreme Court of the country which ruled in favour of this demand of the "greedy" veterans? If yes, then I would highly recommend that these people should be immediately appointed to some important posts so that they can make a "positive" change in the country.

I remember reading someones views on how to deal with this problem. That someone had made a recommendation to the Prime Minister that the country's Armed Forces should be disbanded which would save all the money that the country is "wasting" on maintaining such a force. Of course, in the case of an attack on the country we could either ask these luminaries (the ones who I am directly addressing this mail to)  to deal with the situation to safeguard the nations independence or, better still, just go back to being slaves ... once again.

Obviously, I am totally confused as to why the nation is not supporting the demands of the "greedy" veterans and would like to request someone to please clear my confusion.

Regards,

Ramesh Sharma

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Sandeep Dixit <sandeep4731@gmail.com> wrote:

Completely agree with Mr Roy, Mr. Ramani and Mr. Kapoor. 50,000 crores in pension to defence chaps every year. Plus the added burden of OROP. While the overwhelming majority of people of India, like me, Mr. Kapoor and Mr Roy, get not a penny in pension and get cleaned out with an acute medical illness, this whining by former soldiers doesnt end. We are so sorry we had greedy fellows like you to man my borders. And mind you it is voluntary. I have covered defence and visited their remote locations. We have kept our lips sealed in national interest about the goings on. Ketchup colonel is nothing. There are many good guys in defence but unfortunately the greedy ones dominate. STOP IT WILL YOU.  Best wishes. Sandeep Dikshit.

On 29 Sep 2015 11:04, "AV Ramani" <av.ramani@gmail.com> wrote:

SHAME ON RETIRED DEFENCE SERVICE PERSONNELS WHO MADE MOCKERY OF SERVICES MOTTO

AV RAMANI BE MTECH IIT KGP

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Satish Kumar Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Dear Sarbajit ji

I agree with you.

Unfortunately these veterans do not want to listen other side

I stopped discussions because these people started talking nonsense

One officer went to extent that you, your father, your grandfather ran away from Pakistan during partition to save your lives , you are refugees etc etc

As such it does not make any sense to discuss with such a peoples.

S.K.Kapoor

On Sunday, September 27, 2015 6:19 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Brig Saha

It seems our veterans lose their ability to detect friend from foe
once they retire if you lot routinely dish out terms like "traitor" to
describe your channel hosts.

FYI, I am not a babu. Neither do I get any pension / salary from the Govt.

What "I" am is the poor fool who pays for all the worthless and
whining rascals hiding behind terms like patriotism and nationalism
for their greedy / selfish ends. I am the person who pays for  ketchup
colonels and their fake encounters. I am the person who pays for
Adarsh Housing scams. ...

You people were paid enough for any work you allegedly did while in
service. If you couldn't save while you were in service I fail to see
why we citizens should pay for your existence and your booze once you
retire. (NB: By "you" I mean each and every person who gets a pension
- starting from our worthless MPs)

I am sure that many ordinary citizens would say much the same thing
once we leave the hypocrisy behind.

Best regards
.
Sarbajit

On 9/27/15, kashi saha <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Sarabjt,
> Why you donot you spk of the harm done by the your patriotic IAS super babus
> by blackmailing the Politicians. When  a person joins a service with certain
> terms and conditions through Gazette notification how can it be changed to
> down grade the same in pay and pension. All veterans and those who defended
> the nation till 1971, are all pre 1973 order issued removing the OROP and
> pension quantum( 70% of last pay drawn). Those are people fighting in
> peaceful manner trying to bring sense into these people in power.
> You are asking us to fight with you( It seems from your comment you are one
> of those glorified Babu  ) to bring down your self enhanced privileges, why
> is our job you deserve it or not you convince the Govt. what we are
> interested is a parity you increase yours increase ours too. You do not do
> any thing extra to contribute to the nation. You do your bit and we do our
> bit. If you fail we take on the job even if it is messed up so that the
> nation do not suffer. and if we fail in our job you can only suck your
> thumb. What you IAS/IFS and Political Nexus have done so far:
> 1. In 1971,You messed up the with your foreign policy with Bangladesh after
> the liberation. And it is a thorn on our back, a small helmet for terrorist
> and entry point of CFCurrency and terrorist . A proactive policy could have
> avoided all this
> 2. After 1971 You messed up with your policy against Pak even after we had
> handed over a trophy of more than 90K Pak POW., you could have bargained all
> our POW and POK.
> 3. In 1947 You messed up the Kashmir by asking us to Ceasefire when we were
> in the verge of taking over now so called POK
> 4. Twice we took over Strategic passes in Kashmir you forced us to hand them
> over now the Chinese with their armed forces have a strategic road to PAK.
> 5. Srilanka you created a problem and now we are loosing it to China.
> 6. Myanmar oil pipeline to China again failed in your foreign policy.
> 7. Internally Naxal, NE interstate relationship, sharing of water allocation
> of development fund and projects , you failed every where.
> Why IAS?? to protected constitution at national interest irrespective of
> party in power, advise the politicians who are masses rep against
> unconstitutional, antinational actions. Look into your self are doing that.
> How can any one justify subsidized food for the MPs, pensions with OROP
> principle for the MP with even one election win, There are few Khemkas and
> Chatuvedis but majority of you are self serving un patriot, with yes sir
> attitude for kushy transfer Children studying abroad and after 60 years Apex
> scale pension and member of a commission.
> You are the traitors and need to be sorted out not the politicians.
> Jai Hind        Brigadier Kashi Nath Saha  Mob: 9810728364 Email:
> knsaha44@yahoo.com

Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net"
Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists"
Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user
WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in

Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net"
Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists"
Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user
WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in

--

Ramani

Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net"
Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists"
Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user
WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in

Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"
Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net"
Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists"
Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user
WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in

Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" Exit: "indiaresists-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net" Quit: "https://lists.riseup.net/www/signoff/indiaresists" Help: https://help.riseup.net/en/list-user WWW : http://indiaagainstcorruption.net.in