Dear All,
There has been some acrimonious debate raging against the relevance of OROP. Most
of it, I suspect, is due to the 'Ingratitude' born out of ignorance. While one is at a liberty to hold
any 'personal' opinion, no one has the right or privilege to distort or misrepresent the facts. I was
much alarmed and shocked at the abusive,degrading and misleading commentary made by some
on the role of armed forces and the veterans. I have three submissions in this regard.
Firstly, Do you honestly believe that India won her freedom 'purely and simply' through
Mahatma's non-violence?
Kindly study the struggle for Indian Independence from yr 1939 to 1947 in some depth. Kindly
also read Mahatma, Nehru, Sardar Patel and Subhash Bose closely. The congress elite had then
'openly bargained' for Independence in lieu of 'The whole-hearted participation' of some 25 lacs
Indian Soldiers in support of British Empire in the World War-2. They fought in all theatres of war in
Europe, North Africa, Middle East, Burma, SE Asia and Japan. More than 2 Lacs perished on the
foreign soils in the wilderness. This trained man-power of battle-hardy soldiers was now back-home,
and, would rise to eliminate less than a lac odd Britishers,in India, should they renegade. Britishers
could sense that Gandhi's Non-violence had now 'legs of steel'.They readily surrendered their
Crown-jewel.
Not only we won an early independence from the British but also forced a speedy amalgamation
of some 582 odd kingdoms and fiefdoms to form the present Indian Union. You have all along missed
the 'steel' behind the 'Loh-purush'!
Secondly, the role played by Military and the Military hierarchy since independence, to sustain
this hard earned freedom, despite the impediments imposed by the bureaucracy and some major political
blunders, can not be over-emphasised. I am attaching my write-up 'Where the Generals have gone?' for
your reading and information.
Thirdly, I am attaching an abridged short story by Mrs Murthy that tells you about the respect the
Martyrs,soldiers and the veterans are held in Russia. The US, UK and other Western World is the same.
In the end, I may also add that the bulk of military leadership is the product of one of the 'Ten Best-
colleges' of the world. We imbibe "the best of India", and are, its rightful custodians. Please do not meddle
with us. Allow us to do our job.
With best regards to one and all,
-Surinder Bhatia.
On Thursday, October 1, 2015 1:13 AM, Randhir Sethi <shebon@gmail.com> wrote:
AS THEY SAY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS, SO LET ALL FAUJIS JUST IGNORE THE STATEMENTS BEING MADE BY THE LIKES OF MR SARABJIT , BHARAT BHUSHAN, KAPOOR ET ALL
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On Tuesday, September 29, 2015, PA Kumaran <pakumaran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 29, 2015, PA Kumaran <pakumaran@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Sarbajit,We all have to stick to a minimum level of decency when we communicate. You cannot call names or accuse someone without any credence. Whatever said and done ................... you seem to have forgotten that the Defence Forces have been seeking OROP since last 43 years. It is the bureaucrats & politicians who, on the victory of the 1971 war, presented the Defence Forces with a reduction of pension (!!!) from 70 % to 50%, where as they helped themselves with an increase of pension from 30% to 50%. So who sowed the seed ? There are innumerable such examples where in Defence Forces were let down from generation to generations. Others could go on stirke/ hartal etc - where does the fouji go ? He is pushed towards the wall.You seem to be more obsessed with Defence Forces for getting "Pension" and that you are not getting it.In any organisation there may by an odd person who may be a black sheep and because of him the organisation gets a bad name. You just mentioned two ...imagine in a huge organisation like Defence forces, an aberration also enquired into and the guilty punished. So let us not quote those.Sir, going on a tangent, do you need Defence Forces at all ? Your aversion speaks all. Do you realize how dangerous the situation will be , when no one wants to join the Defence Forces. The cumulative effect of shortages in manpower will be only welcome by our adversaries . In this context where you stand ? In future, your own grand children will curse those who did not take care of the Defence Forces.I just wanted to drive home some points. There are many more such injustices.Suffice to say that in a democratic country like India, it is the right of the Defence Forces to fight for OROP (without diluting its contents)Lastly, if I have hurt anyone by my utterances, it is only to highlight the injustice that is being barraged on the defence forces.With Regards,
Col PA Kumaran (Retd)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Brig Saha
It seems our veterans lose their ability to detect friend from foe
once they retire if you lot routinely dish out terms like "traitor" to
describe your channel hosts.
FYI, I am not a babu. Neither do I get any pension / salary from the Govt.
What "I" am is the poor fool who pays for all the worthless and
whining rascals hiding behind terms like patriotism and nationalism
for their greedy / selfish ends. I am the person who pays for ketchup
colonels and their fake encounters. I am the person who pays for
Adarsh Housing scams. ...
You people were paid enough for any work you allegedly did while in
service. If you couldn't save while you were in service I fail to see
why we citizens should pay for your existence and your booze once you
retire. (NB: By "you" I mean each and every person who gets a pension
- starting from our worthless MPs)
I am sure that many ordinary citizens would say much the same thing
once we leave the hypocrisy behind.
Best regards
.
Sarbajit
On 9/27/15, kashi saha <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Sarabjt,
> Why you donot you spk of the harm done by the your patriotic IAS super babus
> by blackmailing the Politicians. When a person joins a service with certain
> terms and conditions through Gazette notification how can it be changed to
> down grade the same in pay and pension. All veterans and those who defended
> the nation till 1971, are all pre 1973 order issued removing the OROP and
> pension quantum( 70% of last pay drawn). Those are people fighting in
> peaceful manner trying to bring sense into these people in power.
> You are asking us to fight with you( It seems from your comment you are one
> of those glorified Babu ) to bring down your self enhanced privileges, why
> is our job you deserve it or not you convince the Govt. what we are
> interested is a parity you increase yours increase ours too. You do not do
> any thing extra to contribute to the nation. You do your bit and we do our
> bit. If you fail we take on the job even if it is messed up so that the
> nation do not suffer. and if we fail in our job you can only suck your
> thumb. What you IAS/IFS and Political Nexus have done so far:
> 1. In 1971,You messed up the with your foreign policy with Bangladesh after
> the liberation. And it is a thorn on our back, a small helmet for terrorist
> and entry point of CFCurrency and terrorist . A proactive policy could have
> avoided all this
> 2. After 1971 You messed up with your policy against Pak even after we had
> handed over a trophy of more than 90K Pak POW., you could have bargained all
> our POW and POK.
> 3. In 1947 You messed up the Kashmir by asking us to Ceasefire when we were
> in the verge of taking over now so called POK
> 4. Twice we took over Strategic passes in Kashmir you forced us to hand them
> over now the Chinese with their armed forces have a strategic road to PAK.
> 5. Srilanka you created a problem and now we are loosing it to China.
> 6. Myanmar oil pipeline to China again failed in your foreign policy.
> 7. Internally Naxal, NE interstate relationship, sharing of water allocation
> of development fund and projects , you failed every where.
> Why IAS?? to protected constitution at national interest irrespective of
> party in power, advise the politicians who are masses rep against
> unconstitutional, antinational actions. Look into your self are doing that.
> How can any one justify subsidized food for the MPs, pensions with OROP
> principle for the MP with even one election win, There are few Khemkas and
> Chatuvedis but majority of you are self serving un patriot, with yes sir
> attitude for kushy transfer Children studying abroad and after 60 years Apex
> scale pension and member of a commission.
> You are the traitors and need to be sorted out not the politicians.
> Jai Hind Brigadier Kashi Nath Saha Mob: 9810728364 Email:
> knsaha44@yahoo.com
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