TO all,
Hope you have understood why the veterans are agitating for; Generals reply itself is plain and simple.
1. If you do not get pension that is because you job an pay and perks cater for the old age retirement requirement.
2. Have you been in a situation when you were paid less than your agreed pay. You would have forgotten loyalty to the organization and agitated and forced it to close, or
3. Left the organization and gone for a better paymasters or gone abroad and forget the loyalty and patriotism you talk about, settled down and taken their citizenship and worked their like a meek underdog, "Na ghar ka Na ghatka "
4. Why you all look towards the Armed forces as the last resort, because they are professionally efficient and competent, loyal, patriot, disciplined and honest and they deliver.
Brigadier Kashi Nath Saha
Email: knsaha44@yahoo.com
On Thursday, 29 October 2015 10:48 PM, ravindra malhotra <rnmalhotra_in@yahoo.com> wrote:
Perfectly right. I have been following up different mails and have been surprised by reaction in some of them trying to belittle the defence forces and their demands. A number of mails have categorically and point by point have written as to how the post retirement payments for personnel of Armed forces have been reduced from time to time while those of Civil side and politicians have increased. Both Civil servants and personnel of forces are doing their duty. Defence forces form a large chunk of Central Govt Employees. Why they are denied a part in decision making by Pay commission is not understandable.
R.N.Malhotra
Former Chairman Railway Board
--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 10/29/15, Harbhajan Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Subject: [IAC#RG] OROP; Response by Lt Gen Harbhajan Singh
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>, "R. Dua" <r.dua1234@gmail.com>, "Sandeep Dixit" <sandeep4731@gmail.com>, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>, "knsaha44@yahoo.com" <knsaha44@yahoo.com>, "Gaur J. K." <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2015, 7:08 AM
Dear Mr
Dua and others,
The
agitation is Not against the work the Armed Forces are being
asked to do as per terms they signed up for but against
blatantly under paying them while in service and retired as
compared their counter parts in the civil services.
Their
interse status and remunerations have been reduced with
vengeance after each Pay Commission as a conspiracy by the
Bureaucrats while enhancing their own. (They have even managed to get raise in
status and salary/perks for not doing corresponding work
thru NFU!!! This is LOOT OF THE NATION ).
Armed
Forces have been even denied representation in the Pay
Commissions all along in spite of constant
requests.
When
normal, requests and representations to the highest
authorities went unheeded for decades not years, with a very
heavy heart the veterans started the agitation. Any
country's Armed Forces personnel resorting to agitation
is a very very serious matter.
If you
think this is GREED and not legitimate reaction to blatant
Tana Shahi by Babus (who have the ear of the politicians),
well what can one say.
Harbhajan
SinghLt Gen
From: R. Dua
<r.dua1234@gmail.com>
To:
indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Wednesday, 28
October 2015 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
Fwd: OROP
Generally
what we need to understand here is that all the gentlemen n
ladies in Armed Forces are JUST performing their duties
which they were aware at the time of joining forces.
The nature of duty is clear and no has forced them to
join,am sure.
We Indians have misplaced sense of heroism as far as our
work is concerned.
We like to think there is no one better than us or more
hardworking..This is mostly in all streams and as one can
see our Armed Forces are no exception.
Regards to all.
On 28 Oct
2015 11:38, "Ramesh Sharma" <rnsgss@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear
members of the group,
This mail
is directly addressed to those who are ranting against the
peaceful "agitation" of the "greedy"
veterans.
Do I
understand that the members who have aired their views
against the "greedy" veterans are perfectly happy
when their employer hires them with certain "Terms and
Conditions" of service and, after they take up the
appointment their employer, surreptitiously (without their
knowledge) changes these terms. Now, after discovering this
treachery, do you suggest that these employees take it lying
down? Would you do it?
Do I also
understand that these people are smarter than the the two
Parliaments which approved the OROP, the Koshiary Committee,
which carried out a detailed analysis and agreed with the
OROP and the Supreme Court of the country which ruled in
favour of this demand of the "greedy" veterans? If
yes, then I would highly recommend that these people should
be immediately appointed to some important posts so that
they can make a "positive" change in the
country.
I remember
reading someones views on how to deal with this problem.
That someone had made a recommendation to the Prime Minister
that the country's Armed Forces should be disbanded
which would save all the money that the country is
"wasting" on maintaining such a force. Of course,
in the case of an attack on the country we could either ask
these luminaries (the ones who I am directly addressing
this mail to) to deal with the situation to safeguard the
nations independence or, better still, just go back to being
slaves ... once again.
Obviously,
I am totally confused as to why the nation is not supporting
the demands of the "greedy" veterans and would
like to request someone to please clear my
confusion.
Regards,
Ramesh Sharma
On Sun,
Oct 25, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Sandeep Dixit <sandeep4731@gmail.com>
wrote:
Completely
agree with Mr Roy, Mr. Ramani and Mr. Kapoor. 50,000 crores
in pension to defence chaps every year. Plus the added
burden of OROP. While the overwhelming majority of people of
India, like me, Mr. Kapoor and Mr Roy, get not a penny in
pension and get cleaned out with an acute medical illness,
this whining by former soldiers doesnt end. We are so sorry
we had greedy fellows like you to man my borders. And mind
you it is voluntary. I have covered defence and visited
their remote locations. We have kept our lips sealed in
national interest about the goings on. Ketchup colonel is
nothing. There are many good guys in defence but
unfortunately the greedy ones dominate. STOP IT WILL YOU.
Best wishes. Sandeep Dikshit.
On 29 Sep
2015 11:04, "AV Ramani" <av.ramani@gmail.com>
wrote:
SHAME ON
RETIRED DEFENCE SERVICE PERSONNELS WHO MADE MOCKERY OF
SERVICES MOTTO
AV RAMANI BE
MTECH IIT KGP
On Mon,
Sep 28, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Satish Kumar Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
wrote:
Dear Sarbajit
ji
I
agree with you.Unfortunately
these veterans do not want to listen other
sideI stopped discussions because
these people started talking nonsenseOne
officer went to extent that you, your father, your
grandfather ran away from Pakistan during partition to save
your lives , you are refugees etc etcAs such it
does not make any sense to discuss with such a
peoples.
S.K.Kapoor
On Sunday, September 27, 2015 6:19
PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Brig
Saha
It seems our veterans
lose their ability to detect friend from foe
once they retire if you lot routinely dish out
terms like "traitor" to
describe
your channel hosts.
FYI, I
am not a babu. Neither do I get any pension / salary from
the Govt.
What
"I" am is the poor fool who pays for all the
worthless and
whining rascals hiding behind
terms like patriotism and nationalism
for
their greedy / selfish ends. I am the person who pays for
ketchup
colonels and their fake encounters.
I am the person who pays for
Adarsh Housing
scams. ...
You people were
paid enough for any work you allegedly did while in
service. If you couldn't save while you
were in service I fail to see
why we
citizens should pay for your existence and your booze once
you
retire. (NB: By "you" I mean
each and every person who gets a pension
-
starting from our worthless MPs)
I am sure that many ordinary citizens would say
much the same thing
once we leave the
hypocrisy behind.
Best
regards
.
Sarbajit
On 9/27/15, kashi saha <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
wrote:
> Sarabjt,
>
Why you donot you spk of the harm done by the your patriotic
IAS super babus
> by blackmailing the
Politicians. When a person joins a service with certain
> terms and conditions through Gazette
notification how can it be changed to
>
down grade the same in pay and pension. All veterans and
those who defended
> the nation till
1971, are all pre 1973 order issued removing the OROP and
> pension quantum( 70% of last pay drawn).
Those are people fighting in
> peaceful
manner trying to bring sense into these people in power.
> You are asking us to fight with you( It
seems from your comment you are one
> of
those glorified Babu ) to bring down your self enhanced
privileges, why
> is our job you deserve
it or not you convince the Govt. what we are
> interested is a parity you increase yours
increase ours too. You do not do
> any
thing extra to contribute to the nation. You do your bit and
we do our
> bit. If you fail we take on
the job even if it is messed up so that the
> nation do not suffer. and if we fail in
our job you can only suck your
> thumb.
What you IAS/IFS and Political Nexus have done so far:
> 1. In 1971,You messed up the with your
foreign policy with Bangladesh after
>
the liberation. And it is a thorn on our back, a small
helmet for terrorist
> and entry point of
CFCurrency and terrorist . A proactive policy could have
> avoided all this
> 2.
After 1971 You messed up with your policy against Pak even
after we had
> handed over a trophy of
more than 90K Pak POW., you could have bargained all
> our POW and POK.
> 3.
In 1947 You messed up the Kashmir by asking us to Ceasefire
when we were
> in the verge of taking
over now so called POK
> 4. Twice we took
over Strategic passes in Kashmir you forced us to hand
them
> over now the Chinese with their
armed forces have a strategic road to PAK.
> 5. Srilanka you created a problem and now
we are loosing it to China.
> 6. Myanmar
oil pipeline to China again failed in your foreign
policy.
> 7. Internally Naxal, NE
interstate relationship, sharing of water allocation
> of development fund and projects , you
failed every where.
> Why IAS?? to
protected constitution at national interest irrespective
of
> party in power, advise the
politicians who are masses rep against
>
unconstitutional, antinational actions. Look into your self
are doing that.
> How can any one justify
subsidized food for the MPs, pensions with OROP
> principle for the MP with even one
election win, There are few Khemkas and
>
Chatuvedis but majority of you are self serving un patriot,
with yes sir
> attitude for kushy
transfer Children studying abroad and after 60 years Apex
> scale pension and member of a
commission.
> You are the traitors and
need to be sorted out not the politicians.
> Jai Hind Brigadier Kashi Nath
Saha Mob: 9810728364 Email:
> knsaha44@yahoo.com
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On Thu, 10/29/15, Harbhajan Singh <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Subject: [IAC#RG] OROP; Response by Lt Gen Harbhajan Singh
To: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>, "R. Dua" <r.dua1234@gmail.com>, "Sandeep Dixit" <sandeep4731@gmail.com>, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>, "knsaha44@yahoo.com" <knsaha44@yahoo.com>, "Gaur J. K." <gaurjk@hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, October 29, 2015, 7:08 AM
Dear Mr
Dua and others,
The
agitation is Not against the work the Armed Forces are being
asked to do as per terms they signed up for but against
blatantly under paying them while in service and retired as
compared their counter parts in the civil services.
Their
interse status and remunerations have been reduced with
vengeance after each Pay Commission as a conspiracy by the
Bureaucrats while enhancing their own. (They have even managed to get raise in
status and salary/perks for not doing corresponding work
thru NFU!!! This is LOOT OF THE NATION ).
Armed
Forces have been even denied representation in the Pay
Commissions all along in spite of constant
requests.
When
normal, requests and representations to the highest
authorities went unheeded for decades not years, with a very
heavy heart the veterans started the agitation. Any
country's Armed Forces personnel resorting to agitation
is a very very serious matter.
If you
think this is GREED and not legitimate reaction to blatant
Tana Shahi by Babus (who have the ear of the politicians),
well what can one say.
Harbhajan
SinghLt Gen
From: R. Dua
<r.dua1234@gmail.com>
To:
indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Wednesday, 28
October 2015 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG]
Fwd: OROP
Generally
what we need to understand here is that all the gentlemen n
ladies in Armed Forces are JUST performing their duties
which they were aware at the time of joining forces.
The nature of duty is clear and no has forced them to
join,am sure.
We Indians have misplaced sense of heroism as far as our
work is concerned.
We like to think there is no one better than us or more
hardworking..This is mostly in all streams and as one can
see our Armed Forces are no exception.
Regards to all.
On 28 Oct
2015 11:38, "Ramesh Sharma" <rnsgss@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear
members of the group,
This mail
is directly addressed to those who are ranting against the
peaceful "agitation" of the "greedy"
veterans.
Do I
understand that the members who have aired their views
against the "greedy" veterans are perfectly happy
when their employer hires them with certain "Terms and
Conditions" of service and, after they take up the
appointment their employer, surreptitiously (without their
knowledge) changes these terms. Now, after discovering this
treachery, do you suggest that these employees take it lying
down? Would you do it?
Do I also
understand that these people are smarter than the the two
Parliaments which approved the OROP, the Koshiary Committee,
which carried out a detailed analysis and agreed with the
OROP and the Supreme Court of the country which ruled in
favour of this demand of the "greedy" veterans? If
yes, then I would highly recommend that these people should
be immediately appointed to some important posts so that
they can make a "positive" change in the
country.
I remember
reading someones views on how to deal with this problem.
That someone had made a recommendation to the Prime Minister
that the country's Armed Forces should be disbanded
which would save all the money that the country is
"wasting" on maintaining such a force. Of course,
in the case of an attack on the country we could either ask
these luminaries (the ones who I am directly addressing
this mail to) to deal with the situation to safeguard the
nations independence or, better still, just go back to being
slaves ... once again.
Obviously,
I am totally confused as to why the nation is not supporting
the demands of the "greedy" veterans and would
like to request someone to please clear my
confusion.
Regards,
Ramesh Sharma
On Sun,
Oct 25, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Sandeep Dixit <sandeep4731@gmail.com>
wrote:
Completely
agree with Mr Roy, Mr. Ramani and Mr. Kapoor. 50,000 crores
in pension to defence chaps every year. Plus the added
burden of OROP. While the overwhelming majority of people of
India, like me, Mr. Kapoor and Mr Roy, get not a penny in
pension and get cleaned out with an acute medical illness,
this whining by former soldiers doesnt end. We are so sorry
we had greedy fellows like you to man my borders. And mind
you it is voluntary. I have covered defence and visited
their remote locations. We have kept our lips sealed in
national interest about the goings on. Ketchup colonel is
nothing. There are many good guys in defence but
unfortunately the greedy ones dominate. STOP IT WILL YOU.
Best wishes. Sandeep Dikshit.
On 29 Sep
2015 11:04, "AV Ramani" <av.ramani@gmail.com>
wrote:
SHAME ON
RETIRED DEFENCE SERVICE PERSONNELS WHO MADE MOCKERY OF
SERVICES MOTTO
AV RAMANI BE
MTECH IIT KGP
On Mon,
Sep 28, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Satish Kumar Kapoor <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
wrote:
Dear Sarbajit
ji
I
agree with you.Unfortunately
these veterans do not want to listen other
sideI stopped discussions because
these people started talking nonsenseOne
officer went to extent that you, your father, your
grandfather ran away from Pakistan during partition to save
your lives , you are refugees etc etcAs such it
does not make any sense to discuss with such a
peoples.
S.K.Kapoor
On Sunday, September 27, 2015 6:19
PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Brig
Saha
It seems our veterans
lose their ability to detect friend from foe
once they retire if you lot routinely dish out
terms like "traitor" to
describe
your channel hosts.
FYI, I
am not a babu. Neither do I get any pension / salary from
the Govt.
What
"I" am is the poor fool who pays for all the
worthless and
whining rascals hiding behind
terms like patriotism and nationalism
for
their greedy / selfish ends. I am the person who pays for
ketchup
colonels and their fake encounters.
I am the person who pays for
Adarsh Housing
scams. ...
You people were
paid enough for any work you allegedly did while in
service. If you couldn't save while you
were in service I fail to see
why we
citizens should pay for your existence and your booze once
you
retire. (NB: By "you" I mean
each and every person who gets a pension
-
starting from our worthless MPs)
I am sure that many ordinary citizens would say
much the same thing
once we leave the
hypocrisy behind.
Best
regards
.
Sarbajit
On 9/27/15, kashi saha <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
wrote:
> Sarabjt,
>
Why you donot you spk of the harm done by the your patriotic
IAS super babus
> by blackmailing the
Politicians. When a person joins a service with certain
> terms and conditions through Gazette
notification how can it be changed to
>
down grade the same in pay and pension. All veterans and
those who defended
> the nation till
1971, are all pre 1973 order issued removing the OROP and
> pension quantum( 70% of last pay drawn).
Those are people fighting in
> peaceful
manner trying to bring sense into these people in power.
> You are asking us to fight with you( It
seems from your comment you are one
> of
those glorified Babu ) to bring down your self enhanced
privileges, why
> is our job you deserve
it or not you convince the Govt. what we are
> interested is a parity you increase yours
increase ours too. You do not do
> any
thing extra to contribute to the nation. You do your bit and
we do our
> bit. If you fail we take on
the job even if it is messed up so that the
> nation do not suffer. and if we fail in
our job you can only suck your
> thumb.
What you IAS/IFS and Political Nexus have done so far:
> 1. In 1971,You messed up the with your
foreign policy with Bangladesh after
>
the liberation. And it is a thorn on our back, a small
helmet for terrorist
> and entry point of
CFCurrency and terrorist . A proactive policy could have
> avoided all this
> 2.
After 1971 You messed up with your policy against Pak even
after we had
> handed over a trophy of
more than 90K Pak POW., you could have bargained all
> our POW and POK.
> 3.
In 1947 You messed up the Kashmir by asking us to Ceasefire
when we were
> in the verge of taking
over now so called POK
> 4. Twice we took
over Strategic passes in Kashmir you forced us to hand
them
> over now the Chinese with their
armed forces have a strategic road to PAK.
> 5. Srilanka you created a problem and now
we are loosing it to China.
> 6. Myanmar
oil pipeline to China again failed in your foreign
policy.
> 7. Internally Naxal, NE
interstate relationship, sharing of water allocation
> of development fund and projects , you
failed every where.
> Why IAS?? to
protected constitution at national interest irrespective
of
> party in power, advise the
politicians who are masses rep against
>
unconstitutional, antinational actions. Look into your self
are doing that.
> How can any one justify
subsidized food for the MPs, pensions with OROP
> principle for the MP with even one
election win, There are few Khemkas and
>
Chatuvedis but majority of you are self serving un patriot,
with yes sir
> attitude for kushy
transfer Children studying abroad and after 60 years Apex
> scale pension and member of a
commission.
> You are the traitors and
need to be sorted out not the politicians.
> Jai Hind Brigadier Kashi Nath
Saha Mob: 9810728364 Email:
> knsaha44@yahoo.com
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