Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: OROP

Dear Sir

I presume you mean the "Short Service Commission" system under which a
large number of entrants join.Or did you mean the 33 years which an OR
has to serve to enjoy full pension, but which rarely happens ?

The Indian Army is a voluntary service and it is an individuals
"choice" to join or not. Personally I have always believed that there
should be universal compulsory national military service for 2 years
between age 18 and 22 so that personnel can make an informed decision
on joining a "professional" army as a career.

The (mischievous) recommendations of the 3rd Pay Commission were taken
after the 1971 war, which caused a huge economic loss for India and a
fear in Govt that army could take over. It was allegedly taken to
correct the "imbalance" between armed forces getting 70% pension and
babus getting only 30% pension. Many Pay Commissions have tried to
correct that. I recall that in 1998 NDA/BJP Govt increased the
retirement age by 2 years to delay pay out of increases of pension
caused by recommendations of the 5th Pay Commission. This caused those
in service to draw 2 extra annual increments alongwith increasd DA,
so when they retired on or after 2000, their pensions had actually
increased by 50%.

Just look at the spiraling pension bills for armed forces (source
Sunil Jain "Short step from OROP to Greece") - Rs 11,250 crore in
FY05 to Rs 21,790 crore in FY10 and R54,500 crore in FY16; for the
government as a whole, it is up from R26,250 crore in FY05 to R60,489
crore in FY10 to R127,507 crore in FY15. To put this in perspective,
India's GDP rose from Rs29,71,464 crore in FY05 to Rs61,08,903 crore
in FY10 and to Rs1,25,41,208 crore in FY15—so as a share of GDP,
India's pension bill rose from 0.88% to 0.92% in a decade. As a
proportion of total government expenditure, it rose from 5.3% in FY05
to 7.1% in FY15.

And all this for (as a former COAS wrote in an official letter to PMO)
an army that is unfit to fight.

All I can suggest is that all retirees should focus their guns on the
politicians and not cause collateral damage on other sections - the
vast majority of those who work (and pay for these pensions by way of
taxes) and who do not get state pensions or any form of social
security and who are HUGELY RESENTFUL of the privileges conferred on a
select few.

Sarbajit

On 10/7/15, shriram singh <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
>
> Pl enlighten whether there should be any compensation for forced early
> retirements of Service personnel or it is a non issue. Is there any way to
> undo the wrongs done to Services during 1973 when their pensionary benefits
> were brought down from 70 to 50 percent.
>
> Over simplification and generalisation may not be the solution. Inequity
> hurts more than insufficiency.
>
> Best wishes and regards.
>
> SR
> On 7 Oct 2015 01:56, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Col Nauni,
>>
>> If you play the patriotism card with us to make your case we can easily
>> trump with corruption and politicised Army cards
>>
>> I can't possibly disagree with your list of 'shaheeds' and what the
>> institution of the Army stand for.. It is the same concern for the
>> INSTITUTION that causes me to speak out against the spiraling RAT-RACE
>> for
>> pensions encapsulated by OROP.
>>
>> Do you not sense that future govts will be so overwhelmed by burgeoning
>> pension payments to veterans that they will be forced to CUT DOWN on the
>> FUTURE manpower. Doesn't anybody teach basic maths like 1+1<>3 in the
>> Army
>> - or the laws of EXPONENTIATION?
>>
>> Its the same kind of problem Japan faced with its pension scheme, the
>> contributions from young workers in a highly automated robotised
>> environment were insufficient for payments to retireees who were living
>> longer and longer. The pension contributions from the young grew so large
>> that employers could not afford to keep so many permanent employees
>> leading
>> to massive job cutbacks and increasing automation. Japan consequently had
>> a
>> huge population of unemployed youth caused by its bloated social security
>> system skewed to keep the old alive.
>>
>> Are faujis so self-centred nowadays that they can't see that this OROP
>> agitation is inspired by vested interests who want to whittle down
>> India's
>> standing army and its biggest asset -- our soldiers. Have you ever
>> wondered
>> that Mr. Anil Ambani is now being encouraged to enter Defence production
>> after mucking up every almost business he had turned his hand to ?
>>
>> Beyond Col Ketchup I could have equally cited lesser known names like
>> Brig/Maj.Gen/Lt.Gen S.K.Sahni who got promoted thrice using highly
>> litigative tactics in Delhi High Court and misled many officers like
>> Lt.Gen.Kishan Pal to recommend him as a jolly good fellow. And what to
>> speak of Lt.Gen Dahiya who accused Gen Sahni of being out to fix him as
>> tit-for-tat.
>>
>> And how about Gen V.K Singh who supposedly tried to fix Gen DS Suhaag to
>> ensure the line of succession for his own daughter's father-in-law Gen
>> A.K.Singh to be next COAS ?
>>
>> Anyone reading the judgments of service matters and CoIs for Armed forces
>> will be amazed at the lengths "you people" will go to to get promoted to
>> the General staff.
>>
>> And how is it that Gen VK Singh never objected that Admiral Ramdas and
>> other foreign financed veterans interceded on his behalf on the D-o-B
>> issue. As far as we are concerned the whole bloody lot on both sides at
>> the
>> top were equally corrupt and selfish when it comes for ensuring "their"
>> lines of succession and their pensions.
>>
>> PS: I am sure that you also recall the insufferable Gen B.M Kaul and his
>> forward policy 'qua' China which caused 1962 and so much loss of life,
>> prestige and territory.
>>
>> In such light do you disagree that there should be a total separation of
>> Army and politicians, and the highly politicised Generals and Admirals
>> should be roundly denounced from within the services ? Do you not also
>> agree that the procedure for selection of the service chiefs must be
>> foolproof and ensure their autonomy and integrity ?
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
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