Jha Ji...we are talking of what WAS due to us since 1973, illegally withdrawn by babus using the garb of unsuspecting Politicians, promised to be restored, accepted and passed by two Parliaments, promised to be implemented by scores of PM and ordered to be paid to us by none other than Supreme Court of India. So it in not a charity..but Sada Haq.
OROP is for Retired personnel so lets not talk about Serving Personnel because it may open another Panadora's box once they start learning that when in service you pledge your life to the country in return for a solemn promise that your family will be looked after in case you die for the country or lose a limb, or even if survive after winning, this promise is broken.
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 8:50 AM, satyendra jha <satyendrajha@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi friendsI have been going through the debate on OROP for some time and everybody is trying to outsmart each other . But the fact remains that country respects the armed forces for their contribution and keep on doing so till armed forces do not start considering them above all and placing their demands by threats and strikes ( though at present only by retired personnels) . Now let's look at the india's budgetary allocation for the armed forces which is far more bigger than any other govt organizations and a major portion of the same goes into salaries and pensions and not much is left for upgradation and modernization. In a country like ours where more than 30 percent go below the poverty line if Rs 26 and Rs 32 per day is taken as the benchmark income for rural and urban area as given by the government , u can understand their plight . In light of this whether a higher pension is justified when a major portion of the civil society is deprived of this benefit.Our respected friends from the armed forces always talk of their sacrifice and it is not hidden from any one and that is why they command respect. But when you preferred uniform over others u already had the nation and sacrifice in mind so why remind . U r doing your job with perfection and so r others contributing (taxes)for the armed forces . However as a responsible citizen you have to come out and see how many people in this country have pay and perks offered the way it is for the armed forces. Healthcare one of the costliest burden on the old age civilians today is a nightmare but not for armed forces as there are military hospital or a new govt scheme to take care, same is the case for other privileges for you including canteen facilities. The pay commissions compensates the govt employees but where r the schemes of pay revisions in private sectors and for poor masses and there r so many privileges attached to the uniform with respect. Today's pay and perks are highly competitive in armed forces and even the pensions are linked to compensate the increase in cost of living. Post retirement settlement schemes, priorities and preferences in allocations in PSU etc are also there. I see many retired persons employed at good positions if they are deserving .So if our friends wants to fight , sit on Jantar mantar it should be in the larger interest of the nation and masses and not for the benefit of self . please raise your voice against corruption, Wrongdoing etc , u will be more respected . Your joining the armed forces and pledging to serve does not come to an end once u retire so please keep fighting for the betterment without any expectation .I must say sorry to my friends if I hv hurt their sentiments.Thanks
jhaAS THEY SAY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS, SO LET ALL FAUJIS JUST IGNORE THE STATEMENTS BEING MADE BY THE LIKES OF MR SARABJIT , BHARAT BHUSHAN, KAPOOR ET ALLJAI HINDR S S SETHI.AT THIS RATE THEY MAY SOONER OR LATER NOT HAVE A NATIONAL FLAG TO BE UNFURLED ON THE REPUBLIC OR INDEPENDENCE DAYCHEERS TO THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS
On Tuesday, September 29, 2015, PA Kumaran <pakumaran@gmail.com> wrote:Mr Sarbajit,We all have to stick to a minimum level of decency when we communicate. You cannot call names or accuse someone without any credence. Whatever said and done ................... you seem to have forgotten that the Defence Forces have been seeking OROP since last 43 years. It is the bureaucrats & politicians who, on the victory of the 1971 war, presented the Defence Forces with a reduction of pension (!!!) from 70 % to 50%, where as they helped themselves with an increase of pension from 30% to 50%. So who sowed the seed ? There are innumerable such examples where in Defence Forces were let down from generation to generations. Others could go on stirke/ hartal etc - where does the fouji go ? He is pushed towards the wall.You seem to be more obsessed with Defence Forces for getting "Pension" and that you are not getting it.In any organisation there may by an odd person who may be a black sheep and because of him the organisation gets a bad name. You just mentioned two ...imagine in a huge organisation like Defence forces, an aberration also enquired into and the guilty punished. So let us not quote those.Sir, going on a tangent, do you need Defence Forces at all ? Your aversion speaks all. Do you realize how dangerous the situation will be , when no one wants to join the Defence Forces. The cumulative effect of shortages in manpower will be only welcome by our adversaries . In this context where you stand ? In future, your own grand children will curse those who did not take care of the Defence Forces.I just wanted to drive home some points. There are many more such injustices.Suffice to say that in a democratic country like India, it is the right of the Defence Forces to fight for OROP (without diluting its contents)Lastly, if I have hurt anyone by my utterances, it is only to highlight the injustice that is being barraged on the defence forces.With Regards,
Col PA Kumaran (Retd)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Brig Saha
It seems our veterans lose their ability to detect friend from foe
once they retire if you lot routinely dish out terms like "traitor" to
describe your channel hosts.
FYI, I am not a babu. Neither do I get any pension / salary from the Govt.
What "I" am is the poor fool who pays for all the worthless and
whining rascals hiding behind terms like patriotism and nationalism
for their greedy / selfish ends. I am the person who pays for ketchup
colonels and their fake encounters. I am the person who pays for
Adarsh Housing scams. ...
You people were paid enough for any work you allegedly did while in
service. If you couldn't save while you were in service I fail to see
why we citizens should pay for your existence and your booze once you
retire. (NB: By "you" I mean each and every person who gets a pension
- starting from our worthless MPs)
I am sure that many ordinary citizens would say much the same thing
once we leave the hypocrisy behind.
Best regards
.
Sarbajit
On 9/27/15, kashi saha <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Sarabjt,
> Why you donot you spk of the harm done by the your patriotic IAS super babus
> by blackmailing the Politicians. When a person joins a service with certain
> terms and conditions through Gazette notification how can it be changed to
> down grade the same in pay and pension. All veterans and those who defended
> the nation till 1971, are all pre 1973 order issued removing the OROP and
> pension quantum( 70% of last pay drawn). Those are people fighting in
> peaceful manner trying to bring sense into these people in power.
> You are asking us to fight with you( It seems from your comment you are one
> of those glorified Babu ) to bring down your self enhanced privileges, why
> is our job you deserve it or not you convince the Govt. what we are
> interested is a parity you increase yours increase ours too. You do not do
> any thing extra to contribute to the nation. You do your bit and we do our
> bit. If you fail we take on the job even if it is messed up so that the
> nation do not suffer. and if we fail in our job you can only suck your
> thumb. What you IAS/IFS and Political Nexus have done so far:
> 1. In 1971,You messed up the with your foreign policy with Bangladesh after
> the liberation. And it is a thorn on our back, a small helmet for terrorist
> and entry point of CFCurrency and terrorist . A proactive policy could have
> avoided all this
> 2. After 1971 You messed up with your policy against Pak even after we had
> handed over a trophy of more than 90K Pak POW., you could have bargained all
> our POW and POK.
> 3. In 1947 You messed up the Kashmir by asking us to Ceasefire when we were
> in the verge of taking over now so called POK
> 4. Twice we took over Strategic passes in Kashmir you forced us to hand them
> over now the Chinese with their armed forces have a strategic road to PAK.
> 5. Srilanka you created a problem and now we are loosing it to China.
> 6. Myanmar oil pipeline to China again failed in your foreign policy.
> 7. Internally Naxal, NE interstate relationship, sharing of water allocation
> of development fund and projects , you failed every where.
> Why IAS?? to protected constitution at national interest irrespective of
> party in power, advise the politicians who are masses rep against
> unconstitutional, antinational actions. Look into your self are doing that.
> How can any one justify subsidized food for the MPs, pensions with OROP
> principle for the MP with even one election win, There are few Khemkas and
> Chatuvedis but majority of you are self serving un patriot, with yes sir
> attitude for kushy transfer Children studying abroad and after 60 years Apex
> scale pension and member of a commission.
> You are the traitors and need to be sorted out not the politicians.
> Jai Hind Brigadier Kashi Nath Saha Mob: 9810728364 Email:
> knsaha44@yahoo.com
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