Re: [IAC#RG] Swaraj Abhiyan exposed as Congress proxy

Dear Dr. Jose

We are not at all affiliated with any political party. FYI, we regularly circulate emails criticising BJP also. In case your own emails are not circulated perhaps it does not meet the posting rules of the forum.

BTW, we are strictly SECULAR and we have hardly anything in common with RSS. You may carefully read emails such as this.

http://rti4citizens.blogspot.in/2016/01/re-iacrg-gois-safar-data-exposes-aaps_65.html

"A) IAC is patriotic and anti-foreigner, so this currently means that
US sponsored anti-national entities like BJP, RSS, Gandhi-ites, are to
be opposed / rejected.

B) We are anti-World Bank imposed agendas, so LOKPAL is opposed

C) IAC stands for a united socialist secular republican agenda which
is documented in our manifesto and charter. "

Kindly also understand the nuances between "patriotic" and "nationalistic" etc.

Many persons are concerned that IAC has been taken over by AAP :-)

BTW, if you still think IAC is a BJP / RSS forum I strongly urge you to read this:-
http://trai.gov.in/Comments_Data/Organisation/India_Against_Corruption.pdf

IAC's principled stand for net neutrality was very well appreciated and resulted in the desired result being achieved. We have no problem if other people take credit in the media and now describe US touts as East India Company by copying us :)

PS: I am sure that you are disappointed that Free Wi-Fi access by AAP in Delhi now stands more difficult after TRAI order

Sarbajit

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Antony Jose <ajose@mdi.ac.in> wrote:

Dear Mr Roy & Forum administrators,

I have noticed that you only publish mails which are against AAP, Congress, AK, RG, etc. I suspect that you are a proxy for the BJP. Many of my earlier mails exposing your arguments were not circulated.

You criticize every person. Tell me according to you, who are the right people to lead this country.

If you guts and have some ethics, please circulate this mail in the forum and receive feedback from the members; else you remove me from this biased, proxy RSS forum.

Thanks

DR A JOSE

-----Original Message-----
From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net [mailto:indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:05 AM
To: Prabodh Raj Chandol; indiaresists
Cc: Rakesh Manchanda
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Swaraj Abhiyan exposed as Congress proxy

Sir/s

1) We are non-political persons (and being non-political is a key part of our "ideology"),

2) As genuine (apolitical) anti-corruption experts - with track records, "we" reserve the right to caution the public at large about fake anti-corruption experts who are political 'joomlas' and/or foreign financed 'haramis'.

3) FYI, this thread originated on and is running on India Against Corruption's mailing list, and IAC list members have a charter, manifesto and common direction. If Rakesh is circulating these emails outside the IAC list the possibility of any productive discussion diminshes, as you have correctly observed.

4) BTW: There were 'n'  number of silent, unsung, patriots who did not compromise pre-1947. AFAIK, most of them were as equally opposed to political participation then as IAC is today.

5) We also cannot dismiss the foreign financing issue as lightly as Rakesh would have us do.
The CIA / Ford Foundation etc, has infiltrated all levels of AAP/SA to the extent that, say, CSDS where Prashant Bhushan is a Governing Trustee and Yogendra Yadav is a tenured Professor, is heavily Ford
(ie.CIA) financed and agenda based.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/surajit-dasgupta/the-cia-ford-ngo-congress-nac-aap-nexus/10152395314509630/

Quote:
"Expanding community rights over natural resources" (this agenda figured prominently in the first policy meeting of the AAP held in the house of Shalini Gupta, Prashant Bhushan's sister, in Noida in between January 11-13, 2013. Yogendra Yadav, Anand Kumar and invitees Prof Arun Kumar and Aseem Shrivastava stressed the need to switch socialism from bureaucratic control to community ownership)"

Therefore as an independent non-financed people's movement we cannot blindly trust anybody who is tainted by accepting funds with string attached, and especially not with foreign / corporate / political strings attached -and merely because they are "good persons" - in this context, IAC will not repeat mistakes of the past.

Sarbajit
for
India Against Corruption

On 2/9/16, Prabodh Raj Chandol <pedpanchayat@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have participated in this dialogue because I thought that it would a
> healthy discussion. But persons like sarbjit seems to be influenced by
> an ideology or a political group. If it is so, than this discussion
> will become a debate and everyone will speak about his own political
> group, without trying to understand the feelings of others.
>
> Prabodh
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Rakesh Manchanda <
> rakeshmanchanda65@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sarabjit Roy,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your clear vision and preference.
>>
>> If your text is taken seriously then history of pre-independent India
>> is full of compromising with truck load of evidences of compromises.
>>
>> Today same compromised DNA who supported British Raj is ruling modern
>> India today.
>>
>> Still people will risk for a better process and seek clear evidences
>> against possible leaders and changemakers.
>>
>> Still the weak taxpayers are hungry for a change and want to remain
>> united.See file image enclosed.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Rakesh
>>>
>>> In my experience the persons are more important than the process.
>>>
>>> Our views on those persons are consistent and in public domain. If
>>> SA chooses to associate with them, it is because discredited and
>>> rootless persons like Yogendra Yadav are finding nobody else.
>>>
>>> It is absolutely inconceivable that professional parasites like
>>> Aruna Roy et al are any kind of anti-corruption experts. The recent
>>> episode where they got CIC Vijai Sharma to invite them (and only
>>> them) to the CIC 10th RTI Convention so they could call for PM's
>>> speech to be boycotted completely exposes them as Congress agents.
>>>
>>> It is very clear that fronts like so-called Swaraj Abhiyan are
>>> devices to collective the disaffected for some Congress/AAP
>>> controlled Maha-Gatbandhan in the future. I rather suspect that
>>> Yogendra Yadav would go crawling back to AAP if invited and given some token post.
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>> On 2/7/16, Rakesh Manchanda <rakeshmanchanda65@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > It will be more sad for us if Corruption as *process* is not
>>> > challenged collectively by all.
>>> >
>>> > Sh.Sarajeet roy your alert focus is more is on *persons and not on
>>> > the
>>> > process.*
>>> >
>>> > I agree your team should have invited during the finalisation of
>>> speakers
>>> > in this new group-Anti Corruption Team-ACT.
>>> >
>>> > Yesterday few of us as independent birds attended the ACT
>>> > preparation
>>> meet
>>> > and it was cleared Swaraj Abhiyan is only one of several
>>> > stakeholder groups.
>>> >
>>> > By the way this funda of Funds source alert controlling the agenda
>>> > as highlighted by you is stale.
>>> >
>>> > This alert is unknowingly used again and again wherein the modern
>>> > logic remains that 90% taxpayers who pay taxes need to get their
>>> > funds and services back from the 10% corrupt lobbies.
>>> >
>>> > Allow me to share a recent article via link in this direction....
>>> >
>>> > Tolerance Vs Intolerance -Global Game controlled by 1%?
>>> > http://beyondheadlines.in/2015/11/tolerance-vs-intolerance/
>>> >
>>> > Warm Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Rakesh Manchanda
>>>
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