Re: [HumJanenge] Clerk penalized by IC SG for delay

Hello All,
tomorrow is my RTI hearing in PUNE infront of SIC, on the sponsership
money with pune municipal corporation, lets see.

madhukar Mazire

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:53 PM, acfanand@gmail.com <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote:
> In govt there are two varieties. One is officer and the other is worker.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vipen Mahajan
> Sent:  05/04/2011 11:48:14 am
> Subject:  Re: [HumJanenge] Clerk penalized by IC SG for delay
>
> Perhaps a more important issue is not if he is an officer, or a clerk, but :
>
>   1. What is the job description of the person,
>   2. Was he trained/instructed in his job functions, roles and duties, if
>   yes than was there a record of the same, f not then his superior is
>   responsible for this dereliction of duty
>   3. Did he do the job, as per his instructions/training
>   4. etc.
>
> I think unless the whole chain is fixed to perform, we can keep playing the
> blame game. No improvement/change will take place.
> Vipen
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> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, devinder chopra <ddchop47@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Shri Roy:
>>
>>    I have never served as an employee or an Officer of the GOI but have
>> over the decades collaborated with Govt. Deptts. and Ministries from
>> outside.
>>
>> My information is that an UDC is an upper division *clerk*., and is NOT an
>> Officer.
>>
>> With regards.
>> dev chopra - UN Retiree in gurgaon
>> *** 9810338049.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Will some enlightened person well versed in functioning of Govt inform me
>>> of
>>> a UDC (upper division clerk) is an "officer" or not (for purposes of 5.4
>>> and 5.5
>>> of RTI Act). I thought that they are classifed as "employees".
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>> On 4/5/11, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > This was first heard in Gujarat, 2006, when the State SIC ordered a
>>> token
>>> > penalty of Rs.1,000/- to the clerk for keeping the RTI Application
>>> pending
>>> > in his drawer. Now this is the turn in New Delhi where IC SC has
>>> penalized
>>> > not only the CPIO, but the UDC as well. As usual, the clerk tried to
>>> blame
>>> > the CPIO by saying "that being a UDC, he was not required to prepare a
>>> reply
>>> > in response to a RTI application but that it was the PIO's
>>> responsibility to
>>> > prepare the reply."
>>> >
>>> > However, the commission saw through their bluff and penalized both the
>>> CPIO
>>> > and UDC for 44 days each. Check link
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.rti.india.gov.in/cic_decisions/CIC_SG_A_2010_003423_T_54438.pdf
>>> >
>>> > Of course, the decision is dated 1st April, but this does not mean it is
>>> a
>>> > joke. See it for yourself.
>>> >
>>> > Manoj
>>> >
>>>
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