Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

Complaint or second appeal can be efiled at www.rti.india.gov.in 

 

 

-J. P. SHAH 09924106490 or 0285-2674025

http://www.jps50.blogspot.com/

 

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From: sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, 1 July 2011 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free"

Please use the attached format for filing the appeal/complaint
regards

On 7/1/11, sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will be helping you file a complaint as well as second appeal.
> regards
> sandeep
>
> On 7/1/11, AVTAR SINGH <avtarsingh119@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sarabjit Roy,
>>
>> I am a rertired officer from defence.
>> I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three
>> different benches of AFT,
>> The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was
>> delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
>>
>> Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have not
>> got our dues.
>>
>> One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have
>> filed
>> two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
>>
>> The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate authority
>> on
>> 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
>>
>> We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in
>> filing second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Avtar Singh
>> 1-7-2011
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please
>> solve
>> my problem for free"
>> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")
>>
>> Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he
>> is
>> in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to
>> "defend"
>> people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI Users
>> Association are completely exposed by this statement.
>>
>> Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon
>> Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his
>> own
>> small way) Anna's own "business" model.
>>
>> Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the
>> RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At
>> HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless
>> people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for
>> nation
>> building.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao
>> <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Jam,
>>
>> My conclusion is:
>>
>> 1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
>> assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the
>> charge.
>>
>> 2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
>> interest, they may consider not charging.
>>
>> 3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest.
>> In
>> fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with
>> time
>> and monetary resources.
>>
>> 4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
>> responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
>> a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
>> b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
>> c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
>> service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
>> d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain
>> so
>> that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
>> lack of access to information.
>>
>> Thanks for your interest in this discussion.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>> Krish
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> Krishnaraj,
>>>
>>> So, what is your conclusion ?
>>>
>>> Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or
>>> not
>>> ?
>>
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

I find that the format of the complaints and 2nd appeals being
recommended is similar to what is being followed in the high courts
and supreme courts. This is not necessary. Neither is it necessary to
use legalese like 'most respectfully sheweth ', 'Hon'ble Commission'
and so on. Even the consumer forums have started following a similar
format, with index, synopsis, list of dates and so on. This is one of
the reasons a common citizen has to employ a lawyer.

I have filed about 50 complaints and 2nd appeals with the CIC, without
index, synopsis, list of dates and so on. All of been admitted and
heard. The best option is to keep it simple. The person reading it
will be happy if he has to read 2 pages instead of 4.

In an interesting case, the Chandigarh Information Commission find the
rgeistrar of societies who refused to accept my RTI application
because it was not in the 'format' that he wanted.

Maj Gen VK Singh (Retd)

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Col Kurup
>
> Welcome Home !! You will find so many of your former brother in arms on this
> channel. We are also now a disciplined and fighting fit force, and
> troublemakers (so called RTI activists) are put on KP or latrine duty.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr.Sarbajit Roy,
>>
>> I had kept myself out of circulation from all our RTI Groups since
>> last one year mainly due to my inability to sustain the in-fighting Of
>> course I kept myself away from it. Since last few days I started to
>> have a peep in my old forums.  Things seems cooled down. Do you think
>> I can sustain and can start to become active now ?.
>>
>> With warm regards
>> Col NR Kurup
>>
>> On 01/07/2011, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > There are 2 good places to get your problems solved free.
>> > a) This mailing list
>> > b) http://rtiindia.org  (run by Mr Karira and others)
>> >
>> > the "b" option is the preferred one.. Once you have reached some
>> > conclusion
>> > there, you ought to post the final draft 2nd appeal evolved for the
>> > consideration of this group's more advanced members..
>> >
>> > Sarbajit
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:45 AM, AVTAR SINGH
>> > <avtarsingh119@hotmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Dear Sarabjit Roy,
>> >>
>> >> I am a rertired officer from defence.
>> >> I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three
>> >> different benches of AFT,
>> >> The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was
>> >> delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
>> >>
>> >> Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have
>> >> not
>> >> got our dues.
>> >>
>> >> One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have
>> >> filed
>> >> two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
>> >>
>> >> The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate
>> >> authority
>> >> on 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
>> >>
>> >> We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
>> >>
>> >> Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in
>> >> filing second appeal to CIC.
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >>
>> >> Avtar Singh
>> >> 1-7-2011
>> >>
>> >>  ------------------------------
>> >> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
>> >> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please
>> >> solve
>> >> my problem for free"
>> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> >> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that
>> >> he
>> >> is in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to
>> >> "defend" people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called
>> >> RTI
>> >> Users Association are completely exposed by this statement.
>> >>
>> >> Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon
>> >> Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his
>> >> own
>> >> small way) Anna's own "business" model.
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on
>> >> the
>> >> RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At
>> >> HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless
>> >> people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for
>> >> nation
>> >> building.
>> >>
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao
>> >> <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> **
>> >>
>> >>  Dear Jam,
>> >>
>> >> My conclusion is:
>> >>
>> >> 1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
>> >> assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the
>> >> charge.
>> >>
>> >> 2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
>> >> interest, they may consider not charging.
>> >>
>> >> 3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest.
>> >> In
>> >> fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with
>> >> time
>> >> and monetary resources.
>> >>
>> >> 4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
>> >> responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
>> >> a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
>> >> b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
>> >> c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
>> >> service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
>> >> d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public
>> >> domain
>> >> so
>> >> that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because
>> >> of
>> >> lack of access to information.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your interest in this discussion.
>> >>
>> >> Warm Regards,
>> >> Krish
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > **
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Krishnaraj,
>> >> >
>> >> > So, what is your conclusion ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens
>> >> > or
>> >> not
>> >> > ?
>> >> __._,_.___
>> >>  Reply to
>> >>
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

Dear Col Kurup

Welcome Home !! You will find so many of your former brother in arms on this channel. We are also now a disciplined and fighting fit force, and troublemakers (so called RTI activists) are put on KP or latrine duty.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr.Sarbajit Roy,

I had kept myself out of circulation from all our RTI Groups since
last one year mainly due to my inability to sustain the in-fighting Of
course I kept myself away from it. Since last few days I started to
have a peep in my old forums.  Things seems cooled down. Do you think
I can sustain and can start to become active now ?.

With warm regards
Col NR Kurup

On 01/07/2011, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are 2 good places to get your problems solved free.
> a) This mailing list
> b) http://rtiindia.org  (run by Mr Karira and others)
>
> the "b" option is the preferred one.. Once you have reached some conclusion
> there, you ought to post the final draft 2nd appeal evolved for the
> consideration of this group's more advanced members..
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:45 AM, AVTAR SINGH
> <avtarsingh119@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Dear Sarabjit Roy,
>>
>> I am a rertired officer from defence.
>> I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three
>> different benches of AFT,
>> The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was
>> delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
>>
>> Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have not
>> got our dues.
>>
>> One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have
>> filed
>> two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
>>
>> The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate authority
>> on 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
>>
>> We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in
>> filing second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Avtar Singh
>> 1-7-2011
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please solve
>> my problem for free"
>> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")
>>
>> Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he
>> is in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to
>> "defend" people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI
>> Users Association are completely exposed by this statement.
>>
>> Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon
>> Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his
>> own
>> small way) Anna's own "business" model.
>>
>> Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the
>> RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At
>> HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless
>> people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for nation
>> building.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao
>> <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> **
>>
>>  Dear Jam,
>>
>> My conclusion is:
>>
>> 1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
>> assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the
>> charge.
>>
>> 2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
>> interest, they may consider not charging.
>>
>> 3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest. In
>> fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with time
>> and monetary resources.
>>
>> 4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
>> responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
>> a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
>> b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
>> c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
>> service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
>> d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain
>> so
>> that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
>> lack of access to information.
>>
>> Thanks for your interest in this discussion.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>> Krish
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> >
>> > Krishnaraj,
>> >
>> > So, what is your conclusion ?
>> >
>> > Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or
>> not
>> > ?
>> __._,_.___
>>  Reply to

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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

Dear Mr.Sarbajit Roy,

I had kept myself out of circulation from all our RTI Groups since
last one year mainly due to my inability to sustain the in-fighting Of
course I kept myself away from it. Since last few days I started to
have a peep in my old forums. Things seems cooled down. Do you think
I can sustain and can start to become active now ?.

With warm regards
Col NR Kurup

On 01/07/2011, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are 2 good places to get your problems solved free.
> a) This mailing list
> b) http://rtiindia.org (run by Mr Karira and others)
>
> the "b" option is the preferred one.. Once you have reached some conclusion
> there, you ought to post the final draft 2nd appeal evolved for the
> consideration of this group's more advanced members..
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:45 AM, AVTAR SINGH
> <avtarsingh119@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Sarabjit Roy,
>>
>> I am a rertired officer from defence.
>> I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three
>> different benches of AFT,
>> The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was
>> delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
>>
>> Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have not
>> got our dues.
>>
>> One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have
>> filed
>> two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
>>
>> The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate authority
>> on 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
>>
>> We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in
>> filing second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Avtar Singh
>> 1-7-2011
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please solve
>> my problem for free"
>> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")
>>
>> Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he
>> is in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to
>> "defend" people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI
>> Users Association are completely exposed by this statement.
>>
>> Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon
>> Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his
>> own
>> small way) Anna's own "business" model.
>>
>> Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the
>> RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At
>> HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless
>> people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for nation
>> building.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao
>> <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> **
>>
>> Dear Jam,
>>
>> My conclusion is:
>>
>> 1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
>> assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the
>> charge.
>>
>> 2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
>> interest, they may consider not charging.
>>
>> 3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest. In
>> fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with time
>> and monetary resources.
>>
>> 4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
>> responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
>> a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
>> b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
>> c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
>> service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
>> d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain
>> so
>> that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
>> lack of access to information.
>>
>> Thanks for your interest in this discussion.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>> Krish
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> >
>> > Krishnaraj,
>> >
>> > So, what is your conclusion ?
>> >
>> > Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or
>> not
>> > ?
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

Please use the attached format for filing the appeal/complaint
regards

On 7/1/11, sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
> I will be helping you file a complaint as well as second appeal.
> regards
> sandeep
>
> On 7/1/11, AVTAR SINGH <avtarsingh119@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sarabjit Roy,
>>
>> I am a rertired officer from defence.
>> I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three
>> different benches of AFT,
>> The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was
>> delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
>>
>> Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have not
>> got our dues.
>>
>> One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have
>> filed
>> two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
>>
>> The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate authority
>> on
>> 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
>>
>> We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in
>> filing second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Avtar Singh
>> 1-7-2011
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please
>> solve
>> my problem for free"
>> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")
>>
>> Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he
>> is
>> in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to
>> "defend"
>> people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI Users
>> Association are completely exposed by this statement.
>>
>> Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon
>> Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his
>> own
>> small way) Anna's own "business" model.
>>
>> Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the
>> RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At
>> HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless
>> people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for
>> nation
>> building.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao
>> <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Jam,
>>
>> My conclusion is:
>>
>> 1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
>> assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the
>> charge.
>>
>> 2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
>> interest, they may consider not charging.
>>
>> 3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest.
>> In
>> fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with
>> time
>> and monetary resources.
>>
>> 4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
>> responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
>> a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
>> b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
>> c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
>> service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
>> d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain
>> so
>> that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
>> lack of access to information.
>>
>> Thanks for your interest in this discussion.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>> Krish
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> Krishnaraj,
>>>
>>> So, what is your conclusion ?
>>>
>>> Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or
>>> not
>>> ?
>>
>> __._,_.___
>>
>>
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Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

I will be helping you file a complaint as well as second appeal.
regards
sandeep

On 7/1/11, AVTAR SINGH <avtarsingh119@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Sarabjit Roy,
>
> I am a rertired officer from defence.
> I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three
> different benches of AFT,
> The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was
> delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
>
> Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have not
> got our dues.
>
> One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have filed
> two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
>
> The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate authority on
> 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
>
> We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
>
> Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in
> filing second appeal to CIC.
>
> regards
>
> Avtar Singh
> 1-7-2011
>
>
>
>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please solve
> my problem for free"
> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>
> Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")
>
> Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he is
> in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to "defend"
> people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI Users
> Association are completely exposed by this statement.
>
> Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon
> Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his own
> small way) Anna's own "business" model.
>
> Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the
> RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At
> HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless
> people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for nation
> building.
>
> Sarbajit
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Jam,
>
> My conclusion is:
>
> 1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
> assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the charge.
>
> 2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
> interest, they may consider not charging.
>
> 3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest. In
> fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with time
> and monetary resources.
>
> 4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
> responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
> a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
> b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
> c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
> service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
> d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain so
> that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
> lack of access to information.
>
> Thanks for your interest in this discussion.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Krish
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>
>> Krishnaraj,
>>
>> So, what is your conclusion ?
>>
>> Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or
>> not
>> ?
>
> __._,_.___
>
>
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> Messages in this topic (5)
>
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> everything on rti.
>
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Phone: 91-99929-31181

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

There are 2 good places to get your problems solved free.
a) This mailing list
b) http://rtiindia.org  (run by Mr Karira and others)

the "b" option is the preferred one.. Once you have reached some conclusion there, you ought to post the final draft 2nd appeal evolved for the consideration of this group's more advanced members..

Sarbajit

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:45 AM, AVTAR SINGH <avtarsingh119@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sarabjit Roy,
 
I am a rertired officer from defence. 
I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three different benches of AFT,
The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
 
Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have not got our dues.
 
One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have filed two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
 
The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate authority on 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
 
We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
 
Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in filing second appeal to CIC.
 
regards
 
Avtar Singh
1-7-2011
 

---

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free"
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")

Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he is in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to "defend" people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI Users Association are completely exposed by this statement.

Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his own small way) Anna's own "business" model.

Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for nation building.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Dear Jam,

My conclusion is:

1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the charge.

2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
interest, they may consider not charging.

3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest. In
fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with time
and monetary resources.

4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain so
that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
lack of access to information.

Thanks for your interest in this discussion.

Warm Regards,
Krish

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>

> Krishnaraj,
>
> So, what is your conclusion ?
>
> Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or not
> ?

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RE: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

Dear Sarabjit Roy,
 
I am a rertired officer from defence. 
I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three different benches of AFT,
The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
 
Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have not got our dues.
 
One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have filed two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
 
The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate authority on 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
 
We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
 
Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in filing second appeal to CIC.
 
regards
 
Avtar Singh
1-7-2011
 

---

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free"
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")

Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he is in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to "defend" people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI Users Association are completely exposed by this statement.

Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his own small way) Anna's own "business" model.

Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for nation building.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Dear Jam,

My conclusion is:

1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the charge.

2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
interest, they may consider not charging.

3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest. In
fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with time
and monetary resources.

4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain so
that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
lack of access to information.

Thanks for your interest in this discussion.

Warm Regards,
Krish

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>

> Krishnaraj,
>
> So, what is your conclusion ?
>
> Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or not
> ?

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[HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")

Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he is in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to "defend" people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI Users Association are completely exposed by this statement.

Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his own small way) Anna's own "business" model.

Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for nation building.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Dear Jam,

My conclusion is:

1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the charge.

2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
interest, they may consider not charging.

3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest. In
fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with time
and monetary resources.

4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain so
that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
lack of access to information.

Thanks for your interest in this discussion.

Warm Regards,
Krish

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>

> Krishnaraj,
>
> So, what is your conclusion ?
>
> Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or not
> ?

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[HumJanenge] Let's demand some 'account of the money' that banks are forced to spend on ill-conceived giveaways like MGNREGA.

Friends,

Isn't time we demand some 'account of the money' that banks are
forced to spend on ill-conceived giveaways like MGNREGA.
Unfortunately it's not a one time affair - mushrooming ideas before each poll....!
Added to this States likeTamil Nadu embarking on such vote catching gimmics
and coming to centre for help financing such schemes ...!
Let there be a debate - right now.
How RTI could take advantage- guidance needed.
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Re: [HumJanenge] good judgements on applicability of rti act to private bodies

no I am not any advocate. I am a veterinary scientist working in a university

On 6/30/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Thanks, Dr. Sandeep ji, for these good decisions.
> I understand that u r an advocate, kindly inform. .
>
> --- On Wed, 29/6/11, sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: sandeep kumar <drsandgupta@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] good judgements on applicability of rti act to private
> bodies
> To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>, "HC Arora"
> <hcarora.highcourt@gmail.com>, "rajeshjakhar" <rajeshjakhar@gmail.com>,
> "healthtodayindia" <healthtodayindia@gmail.com>, "anilpannikker"
> <anilpannikker@gmail.com>, "Hemant Goswami" <hemantgoswami@gmail.com>,
> "Kuldeep Singh Khaira" <kuldeepsingh_khaira@yahoo.com>, "right2justice"
> <right2justice@gmail.com>, "lsa_ludhiana" <lsa_ludhiana@yahoo.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 29 June, 2011, 10:58 AM
>
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[HumJanenge] DELHI HIGH COURT TO EXAMINE CBI's EXEMPTION FROM RTI

HC to examine CBI's exemption from RTI ambit Harish V Nair, Hindustan Times New Delhi, June 29, 2011 A month after the Centre approved CBI's request to exempt it from the purview of the Right to Information Act, the Delhi High Court is set to examine its validity. Sitab Ali Chaudhary, a lawyer, has filed a PIL, making the Centre, the home and law ministries, CBI and National Investigating Agency answerable to the petition. A bench headed by chief justice Dipak Misra will hear the PIL on July 6. The PIL said the RTI Act only gives exemption to organisations dealing with defence, security and national intelligence issues and that the CBI nowhere came within its ambit. The Cabinet had earlier this month approved CBI's request to be exempted from the RTI Act. The move had attracted widespread condemnation from activists and civil society representatives. In a similar PIL, the Madras High Court has already, on June 25, asked both the Centre and the CBI to explain this exemption. Petitioner and RTI activist S Vijayalakshmi had contended that since the expose of Commonwealth Games and other scams and the Lokpal movement, the Centre has become "jittery and rudderless" in the war on corruption. --- On Wed, 29/6/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] What clinched the Govt's decision to exempt CBI under Sec 24 ? ********************************************************************** From Economic Times, 29.6.2011, Edit Page.   Face Off Should the CBI Come Under the Purview of RTI JOGINDER SINGH FORMER DIRECTOR CBI Keeping it Outside RTI is the Right Move The Madras High Court has issued a notice,to the Union government on a public interest litigation seeking to declare a recent notification exempting Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) from the purview of Right to Information Act as ultra vires.The position is,that CBI is not only an investigating agency,but also collects information about the corrupt practices and other violations.Some say that it is a retrograde step and the CBI should not be out of the purview of Right to Information Act.It is due to a mistaken impression,as the Right to Information is not an act to combat corruption and malpractices either in the government or in the society.Each law passed by Parliament has a specific purpose.It would be interesting for the agitators,to find out as to how many cases have been registered against corruption and other laws after getting information under RTI.Investigation of cases is done,as per the procedure laid down in the Criminal Procedure Code,within the parameters prescribed by the Indian Evidence Act.Investigation is never done,in the purview of the pubic or media glare.During investigation,CBI checks and cross-checks the facts stated by the witnesses or the alleged accused,before coming to any conclusion about his guilt or otherwise.It can also involve tests like DNA or referring the matter to Forensic Science Laboratory.Not only during the investigation a full picture of any crime is to be constructed,but also credible evidence gathered to prove that a crime has been committed.The so-called activists confuse between a moral wrong and a legal violation of law.In any case,CBI files a charge-sheet,within normally 60 to 90 days.Once the case goes to the court,each charged person is given a complete set of evidence,including the statement of witnesses,scientific evidence,if any,and other complete papers.So all papers of investigation come under the public domain and anybody can get papers from the court.If any new facts are brought out by the so-called activists,a reinvestigation can always be done.The decision taken to save the CBI from busy-bodies who have nothing to do but seek publicity is a right one. NIKHIL DEY RTI ACTIVIST Decision to Keep it Out is Unjustified The decision to exempt the CBI from the provisions of the RTI Act are completely unjustified.The decision will harm the CBI as well as the RTI Act.In fact,all institutions in the country should be under the purview of the RTI Act.In any case,the exemption for intelligence and security agencies contained under section 24 of the Act cannot apply to an investigating agency.The CBI might carry out some work that requires gathering of intelligence,and it may well investigate many sensitive cases related to security of the state.However,the RTI Act contains adequate safeguards that can protect it from divulging sensitive information.Section 8 of the RTI Act exempts the disclosure of information that would prejudicially affect the security of the state,friendly relations with foreign countries,law and order,safety of an informer,investigation of a crime,etc.There is a fundamental difference between exempting certain classes of information and providing a blanket exemption to the whole agency.By exempting the agency,it is being freed from the standards of transparency and accountability borne out of scrutiny from the citizen.There are many cases the CBI investigates where it needs to work with ordinary citizens in an atmosphere of openness and mutual trust.The CBI enquiry ordered by the Supreme Court of India into corruption in six districts in Orissa is a case in point.In a scenario of poor credibility of investigating agencies,the CBI is still the first one called to investigate matters of grand corruption.As the former director of the CBI who worked under the RTI regime,Vijay Shankar,has said,the RTI will help the CBI perform better and with more credibility.At a time when the government is struggling to show that it can create an effective anti-corruption agency,this move will irreparably damage its own credibility.Finally,this misinterpretation of an intelligence and security agency could open the floodgates to a spate of departments wanting to claim exemption from the RTI.It will be the end of the capacity of the RTI Act to enforce transparency and ensure that accountability is to the people of the country.The government must revoke this decision. --- On Tue, 28/6/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] What clinched the Govt's decision to exempt CBI under Sec 24 ? To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, 28 June, 2011, 5:23 PM Thanks a lot, Singh Sahib for this very useful input. It means an appeal/ complaint of Shri Subhash Chand Agrawal has wrongly been dismissed by the CIC which was filed before the issue of notification.  For details, read posting made by Shri Agrawal about a fortnight ago. --- On Mon, 27/6/11, vinay singh <vinay4299@gmail.com> wrote: From: vinay singh <vinay4299@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] What clinched the Govt's decision to exempt CBI under Sec 24 ? To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, 27 June, 2011, 8:27 PM The appeals will stand. There is a precedence. My appeal against the NSCS was filed before it was added to the list a few years ago. The NSCS tried to give the same argument. The CIC Wajahat Habibullah ruled that since the appeal was filed before the notification adding NSCS to the list of exempted organisations, the appeal will stand.     Maj Gen VK Singh (Retd)On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:42 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: Now, what will be the status of pending RTI applications, first and second appeals and complaint filed before the notification as the date of effect of notification has not been mentioned? On Sat, 25/6/11, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote: From: C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] What clinched the Govt's decision to exempt CBI under Sec 24 ? To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> Date: Saturday, 25 June, 2011, 7:38 PM It is available as an attachment in this thread: http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/74564-government-notification-cbi-exemption-under-sec-24-a-new-post.html RTIwanted From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] What clinched the Govt's decision to exempt CBI under Sec 24 ? I request for down-loading a copy of gazettee notification exempting CBI, NIA and NIG from the purview of RTI. I searched the same on CBI and DoPT website but could not find.    Request Mr. C J Karaira, Sarbajit Roy and others for favour.   This will remove doubts about the date of its effectness and status of cases pending before the CIC. .