Thursday, June 30, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

There are 2 good places to get your problems solved free.
a) This mailing list
b)  (run by Mr Karira and others)

the "b" option is the preferred one.. Once you have reached some conclusion there, you ought to post the final draft 2nd appeal evolved for the consideration of this group's more advanced members..


On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:45 AM, AVTAR SINGH <> wrote:
Dear Sarabjit Roy,
I am a rertired officer from defence. 
I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three different benches of AFT,
The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have not got our dues.
One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have filed two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate authority on 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in filing second appeal to CIC.
Avtar Singh

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free"

Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")

Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he is in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to "defend" people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI Users Association are completely exposed by this statement.

Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his own small way) Anna's own "business" model.

Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for nation building.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao <> wrote:
Dear Jam,

My conclusion is:

1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the charge.

2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
interest, they may consider not charging.

3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest. In
fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with time
and monetary resources.

4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain so
that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
lack of access to information.

Thanks for your interest in this discussion.

Warm Regards,

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <> wrote:

> **
> Krishnaraj,
> So, what is your conclusion ?
> Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or not
> ?
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