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Mr.S. Roy
How do you view things after a gap of 9 months and AAP staking claim to dislodge both BJP and Congress( As A or B team of the later).
JKGaur
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:32:47 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev
Dear Naishadh
As we agree, a "right wing Hindu nationalist patriotic" ("RHNP) is a mess of knotty contradictions, which requires tremendous self discipline, intellectualism, wise seniors and study to manage.
I cannot agree with you that Mr NaMo has managed to achieve that position. As I observe his "half baked" version of RHNP usually has 2 out of the 4 ingredients at any point of time (and the easiest ones - ie lowest common denominator).
Let us assume for the moment that that BJP actually projects NaMO as their PM candidate, it will quickly isolate them and cause the other votebanks to run to the Congress or a Third front (it may actually also be the tonic to revive the Left)
To get around this the BJP/NaMo combination shall have to make some BOLD moves as follows:-
1) Identify clearly the vote banks (ie. committed groups of non-BJP people who vote together) and their leaders, whose votes / support are crucial
2) Send a very strong signal to these vote banks that they will be incorporated in an NDA Govt as empowered partners.
For instance, NaMo has always denied tickets to India's 13% Muslims, now for the Centre 2014 the BJP should give 25% of its tickets (ie. gross over-representation) to Muslims. A similar thing can be done for Dalits. The karyakartas must be instructed to swallow this for the sake of reaching power and work with double their usual vigour. Only then can the BJP emerge out of this perception that they are a Bania-Brahmin Hindu party. Newer caste dynamics like Jats will have to be arranged. BJP is not at all strong in South and East India, where its Hinduism works against it.
Getting people like Ramdev to arrange this is not working. Ramdev first went to Deoband as part of Congress's similar strategy. Now that he is rebuffed by them and under pressure from Congress, Ramdev is associating with the Shia segments to pull them in for the BJP. I really wonder how the BJP's position on Kashmir will be modified to accommodate such new allies :-)
The Congress is in an easy position, they sit back while the BJP hardliners dig their own grave. All the Congress has to do is dangle money / temptation like an experienced old-whore to the vote banks (who know that the Congress will do anything to let them keep making money so long as Sonia can stay in No. 10 Janpath)
Sarbajit
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Mr.S. Roy
How do you view things after a gap of 9 months and AAP staking claim to dislodge both BJP and Congress( As A or B team of the later).
JKGaur
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:32:47 +0530
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: Ramdev
Dear Naishadh
As we agree, a "right wing Hindu nationalist patriotic" ("RHNP) is a mess of knotty contradictions, which requires tremendous self discipline, intellectualism, wise seniors and study to manage.
I cannot agree with you that Mr NaMo has managed to achieve that position. As I observe his "half baked" version of RHNP usually has 2 out of the 4 ingredients at any point of time (and the easiest ones - ie lowest common denominator).
Let us assume for the moment that that BJP actually projects NaMO as their PM candidate, it will quickly isolate them and cause the other votebanks to run to the Congress or a Third front (it may actually also be the tonic to revive the Left)
To get around this the BJP/NaMo combination shall have to make some BOLD moves as follows:-
1) Identify clearly the vote banks (ie. committed groups of non-BJP people who vote together) and their leaders, whose votes / support are crucial
2) Send a very strong signal to these vote banks that they will be incorporated in an NDA Govt as empowered partners.
For instance, NaMo has always denied tickets to India's 13% Muslims, now for the Centre 2014 the BJP should give 25% of its tickets (ie. gross over-representation) to Muslims. A similar thing can be done for Dalits. The karyakartas must be instructed to swallow this for the sake of reaching power and work with double their usual vigour. Only then can the BJP emerge out of this perception that they are a Bania-Brahmin Hindu party. Newer caste dynamics like Jats will have to be arranged. BJP is not at all strong in South and East India, where its Hinduism works against it.
Getting people like Ramdev to arrange this is not working. Ramdev first went to Deoband as part of Congress's similar strategy. Now that he is rebuffed by them and under pressure from Congress, Ramdev is associating with the Shia segments to pull them in for the BJP. I really wonder how the BJP's position on Kashmir will be modified to accommodate such new allies :-)
The Congress is in an easy position, they sit back while the BJP hardliners dig their own grave. All the Congress has to do is dangle money / temptation like an experienced old-whore to the vote banks (who know that the Congress will do anything to let them keep making money so long as Sonia can stay in No. 10 Janpath)
Sarbajit
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Joshi NM <naishadhjoshi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sarabjit,Greetings.As usual, you made very savvy observations with level-headed practical assessment of localised politics. However, state needs viable arrangement with stability of Govt. for a reasonable term.Hindu, right-winger, patriotic, nationalist is a knotty combination; which a very large portion of voters, though they may find transient appeal in the concept, cannot truly comprehend.NaMo seems to offer near-about conviction to above stated position. Any other person or parties don't. In the times of coalition, stability is a matter of dynamic arrangement where cheesy values are the first political sacrifice. Morarji Desai Govt. & 1st term of ABV are the examples. Coalition has its own 'mulayam' mechanism exploited by likes of 3Ms political leaders.Its time to focus on the issue - If not NaMo then who else. If its NaMo, what to look for and where to focus.regards,-Joshi NM--
On 1 April 2013 00:15, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr Hegde
Firstly let me take exception to your remarks about (presumably my) "communist minded politics". You are greatly mistaken if you believe I am a communist or any other form of leftist. On the contrary I am an extreme right wing patriotic TRUE Hindu nationalist who puts all the VHP pseudo-Hindu semi-illiiterate brigade in the shade
Secondly, let me clarify that from what I observe Mr. Narendra Modi is some sort of half-baked Hindu who doesn't seem to understand/follow ABC of Hinduism let alone the XYZ.
As I said there is a very simple test for who is a TRUE Hindu and who is not which can be answered in 2 and only 2 words..
a) Are you a Hindu ? Yes or No.
b) What is the name of your God ? _____
Thirdly about the BJP's governance. BJP is equally a corrupt party as the Congress. The series of MINING scams in BJP ruled states is complete and unimpeachable evidence of it. Karnataka, Goa, Gujarat you name it. I hate to drag the fair name of Mr. Bangaru Lakshman into this discussion or even Mr. Pramod Mahajan (who I got removed from the Cabinet for his extreme corruption)
Fourthly, about NaMo personally. Running Gujarat is very different from running rest of India. His style of working may not translate very well outside his own Gujarat and outside die-hard BJP loyalists. In any case lets see assembly results of Karnataka, Rajasthan, Delhi, MP etc. first
Fifthly, the analysis of Gujarat assembly results show that's NaMo's support base is shifting and is also 'spiky". BJP in Gujarat is also packed with criminals
Sarbajit
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Prabhakar Hegde <m.prabhakar.hegde@gmail.com> wrote:
I fully endorse with the opinion of Sri Baba Ramdevs opinion and it is not only his view it is the wishes of all people of this country who feel that Sri Narendra Modi can change the face of this great country. It is not by the congress party who ruled ruin and looted the wealth of this country .I strongly feel that the I A C should come out to support him not because he is a B J P candidate but to give a good governence to our countries administration he is a strong able candidatewho can motivate youths,womens and appeal mass of this country .So please keep aside your petty egoism and communist minded politics for God sake (if you want to do really a good to this nation) Jai Bharath matha Ki
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=794077
BJP Should Project Modi in LS Elections: RamdevJaipur | Mar 31, 2013
BJP should project Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as its leader in the next Lok Sabha elections and change its priorities if it wants to return to power, Yoga guru Baba Ramdev said today.
He said that Congress can not return to power due to its anti-people policies but BJP can do it provided it changed its priorities.
"There is some possibility and space for BJP if it changes priorities and thinks about projecting Narendra Modi in next Lok Sabha elections," Ramdev said at a press conference here.
"Modi emerged as a robust leader who has become icon of development and courage and has zero tolerance for corruption but the final decision for his projection is to be taken by the BJP and Sangh," he said.
He said the country today is facing a leadership crisis and people are looking at individuals instead of political parties to bring about a positive change in politics.
"We believe that this will take place and the upcoming Lok Sabha election will be decisive in this direction," he said.
He alleged that the government could not take the issues of corruption and black money to a logical conclusion and that Congress has has no chance of forming the next government at the centre as it has betrayed the people.
"Congress has lost confidence among masses. So many scams worth crores of rupees have come to light and people will not vote for the party," he said.
He accused the Congress of misusing the CBI against its political rivals. "What SP Chief Mulayam Singh Yadav said against Congress and CBI is true," he said.
When asked about the possibility of coming together of all like-minded individuals like Anna Hazare, he said building up social and political pressure was necessary to bring a change in system.
"Anna is a good person but he wants to stay away from politics. Building up political pressure along with social pressure is necessary to change the system. Laws are made and amended in Parliament and not by saints or monks and social activist," he said.
Ramdev, who was in the city to hold meetings with his workers, said he was on a mission to play a big role in Lok Sabha election though he himself will not contest election.
"There should be our, at least, 300 members in parliament so that we can play decisive role and I am working in this direction," he said.
Replying to a question about forming a political party, Ramdev said he was not in a position to comment on it but something conclusive will be announced in April or May.
He said that there are some good individuals in parties like Biju Janata Dal, Telugu Desam Party and Janata Dal (United).
There was a space in the nation for the third front, he said, adding that the situation will clear in some time.
He said that he will conduct mass meetings in May in Rajasthan.
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