Thursday, September 30, 2010

Re: [rti_india] Re: Weeding Trash


Dear Sh Santoshi

You have properly reached the heart of the matter.
We are the defenders of democracy and free speech.
Democracy is not the same thing as mob-o-cracy.

The reason I do not want persons from NGOs on this group are manifold.

Firstly, this is an interface group for citizens and public servants concerning the RTI.
Although we are on different sides of the "RTI divide" we jointly believe that RTI if
used "responsibly" can deliver all information which citizens are entitled to. There is
also a substantial section of "babudom" which wants accountability and transparency, we
believe that RTI Act is one of the ways to ensure this.

Secondly, we are of the view that NGOs are not citizens. As a recent CIC minutes of meeting (07.09.2010) records, the shrill clamor of a few motivated persons cannot be treated as the rational voice of the world when it comes to RTI and associated matters. Mr Shailesh Gandhi has openly disgreed with that view, so it is equally open to him and his NCPRI friends to leave this group. As you say, there are many other RTI yahoogroups - the bulk of which have
no credibility or discipline.


On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Sanjeev Santoshi <> wrote:

Dear Friends

I'm member of 8 RTI yahoogroups for India, many of which I have stopped reading. This group is definitely the best one for many reasons.

# messages are displayed immediately

# hardly any spam and junk emails not related to RTI. (somebody can explain why people assume that just because I am interested in knowing about RTI means I am interested in also knowing about every other problem of India).

# dont have to get mails from "Urvashi Sharma", "Nutan / Amitabh Thakur", "C K Rejimon", "Krishnaraj Rao" and so many others. I'm specially happy that I dont receive 50 emails daily from "Vishal Kudchadkar" cut and pasted from news feeds.

I support the moderators (whoever they are) if they can keep this group clean and focussed on RTI. Of course the language used must be civilized and decent, and it is expected that moderators must explain the reasons for their actions instead of posting cryptic one liners.

yours faithfully
Sanjeev Santoshi

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:16 PM, nilkanth12345 <> wrote:

Dear Ashish,

We must kick all members, out from this group, by issuing such sudden directives, or on some pretext or another. After all, the main intention of this group, should be focussed on abusing and kicking out members, instead of discussing RTI issues.

I am sure, another member would soon complain against u too, to YAHOO for misusing using your powers, as a moderator.

In the meanwhile, keep up your good work. I am sure, plenty of other members, would also be proud of Ashish and support your good work, on using a yahoo group, to satisy personal/ ego issues.

Ashish, I am sure, YAHOO Groups would be proud of you too, in having such a learned member like you, openly abusing anyone in a yahoo group, to be a moderator, of one their groups.

--- In, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965@...> wrote:
> Dear RTI India group members
> In continuation of the previous directive, I have also decided that members
> of
> the "National RTI Forum" are ineligible to be members of this group in terms
> of the original charter and as amended from time to time.
> Ashish
> moderator
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:50 AM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965@...>wrote:

> > Dear RTI_India group members
> >
> > To better uplift the level of discourse on this group, I have decided that
> > persons who are
> >
> > a) working committee members of the N.C.P.R.I
> >
> >
> > b) life members of the N.C.P.R.I
> >
> >
> > c) campaign committee members of the N.C.P.R.I
> >
> >
> > were ineligble to be members of this group.
> > They are requested to kindly unsubscribe themselves
> > as soon as possible..
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:41 PM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965@...>wrote:

> >
> >> Dear Shri Raghy Rao
> >>
> >> 1. I am not an RTI activist, nor do I describe myself by such appellation.
> >> 2.You are hereby weeded out from this group..
> >>
> >> With best wishes.
> >>
> >> Ashish
> >> Moderator.
> >>
> >>
> >

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