Saturday, July 31, 2010

Re: [rti_india] u are qualified for post of SIC

 

Dear Leslie,
 
Are you posting a format of application. This need to have substantiating documents and applications may change from person to person. Just press reports of agitaions will not be suffuicient and showing only "against establishment" attitude, the application need to shown as sustainable inclusinve way of application. On whose instance the various circulars issued that needs to have substanciating documentation. You were all baiting Mr. Shailesh Gandhi earlier.
 
 
Inservice for RTI.
 
Bhaskar
 
 
 
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 9:40 AM, LESLIE ALMEIDA <lesals2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Dear All.
this is not just to get the post but to block beauracats from taking ovr the posts,and civilian one like Shalish Gandhi put in, take a few minutes of your time and say Rs 45 by vichare courrier
ther are many post going to be vacant Shri Suresh Joshi term expires october 2010
 

To:                                                                                                                                          

            Principal Secretary,

            General Administration Department (GAD),

            New Administrative Bldg., Madame Cama Road,

            Opp. Mantralaya, Mumbai - 400032.

 

Copy To:

            Governor of Maharashtra,

            Raj Bhavan,

            Malabar Hill, Walkeshwar Road,

            Mumbai - 400035.

 

            Chief Minister of Maharashtra,

            Mantralaya, 6th Floor,

            Madame Cama Road, Mumbai - 400032

 

            Maharashtra State Information Commission,

            New Administrative Bldg., 13th Floor, Madame Cama Road,

            Opp. Mantralaya, Mumbai - 400032.

 

Subject:   Application for the post of Chief Information Commissioner/Information Commissioner of the Maharashtra State Information Commission.

 

Sir,

            The term of the present Chief Information Commissioner of the State Information Commission, Dr Suresh Vinayakrao Joshi will come to an end in October 2010. Since other vacancies may also open up in coming months, I am, herewith, applying for the post of Chief Information Commissioner or Information Commissioner of the Maharashtra State Information Commission as and when the next set of appointments are made.

 

Section 15(5) of the Right to Information act says that "The State Chief Information Commissioner and State Information Commissioners shall be persons of eminence in public life with wide knowledge and experience in law, science and technology, social service, management, journalism, mass media or administration and governance."

 

I am an active campaigner for the cause of Right to Information, and am widely considered as an authority on the subject. I am regularly invited by various forums to give talks and conduct workshops on RTI and citizen empowerment. The formats that I have developed for proper implementation of RTI by public authorities and information commissions have been carried verbatim in the PriceWaterhouse Cooper report (2009), and representations drafted by me have resulted in pointwise instructions being put out by the Maharashtra Information Commission and subsequently, a number of GRs and circulars being issued by Maharashtra Government. My campaigning work and views are regularly featured in all the major national dailies across the nation.

 

I have enclosed my detailed resume along with this application. I request you to consider my candidature for the post of the Chief Information Commissioner of the Maharashtra State Information Commission and the post of Information Commissioner of the Maharashtra State Information Commission. I affirm that, if appointed, I will not spare any effort to fulfill the duties of this very important position, in a complete manner so that this landmark act is implemented in letter and in spirit.

 

Thanking you.

 

for and on behalf of Krisharaj Rao

Leslie Almeida

 


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[rti_india] u are qualified for post of SIC

 

Dear All.
this is not just to get the post but to block beauracats from taking ovr the posts,and civilian one like Shalish Gandhi put in, take a few minutes of your time and say Rs 45 by vichare courrier
ther are many post going to be vacant Shri Suresh Joshi term expires october 2010
 

To:                                                                                                                                          

            Principal Secretary,

            General Administration Department (GAD),

            New Administrative Bldg., Madame Cama Road,

            Opp. Mantralaya, Mumbai - 400032.

 

Copy To:

            Governor of Maharashtra,

            Raj Bhavan,

            Malabar Hill, Walkeshwar Road,

            Mumbai - 400035.

 

            Chief Minister of Maharashtra,

            Mantralaya, 6th Floor,

            Madame Cama Road, Mumbai - 400032

 

            Maharashtra State Information Commission,

            New Administrative Bldg., 13th Floor, Madame Cama Road,

            Opp. Mantralaya, Mumbai - 400032.

 

Subject:   Application for the post of Chief Information Commissioner/Information Commissioner of the Maharashtra State Information Commission.

 

Sir,

            The term of the present Chief Information Commissioner of the State Information Commission, Dr Suresh Vinayakrao Joshi will come to an end in October 2010. Since other vacancies may also open up in coming months, I am, herewith, applying for the post of Chief Information Commissioner or Information Commissioner of the Maharashtra State Information Commission as and when the next set of appointments are made.

 

Section 15(5) of the Right to Information act says that "The State Chief Information Commissioner and State Information Commissioners shall be persons of eminence in public life with wide knowledge and experience in law, science and technology, social service, management, journalism, mass media or administration and governance."

 

I am an active campaigner for the cause of Right to Information, and am widely considered as an authority on the subject. I am regularly invited by various forums to give talks and conduct workshops on RTI and citizen empowerment. The formats that I have developed for proper implementation of RTI by public authorities and information commissions have been carried verbatim in the PriceWaterhouse Cooper report (2009), and representations drafted by me have resulted in pointwise instructions being put out by the Maharashtra Information Commission and subsequently, a number of GRs and circulars being issued by Maharashtra Government. My campaigning work and views are regularly featured in all the major national dailies across the nation.

 

I have enclosed my detailed resume along with this application. I request you to consider my candidature for the post of the Chief Information Commissioner of the Maharashtra State Information Commission and the post of Information Commissioner of the Maharashtra State Information Commission. I affirm that, if appointed, I will not spare any effort to fulfill the duties of this very important position, in a complete manner so that this landmark act is implemented in letter and in spirit.

 

Thanking you.

 

for and on behalf of Krisharaj Rao

Leslie Almeida

 

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Friday, July 30, 2010

Re: [rti_india] Re: Review of Decision in CIC/AT/A/2009/000100 dated 16.9.2009

 

On the bright side, some of the group members who are not happy with their CIC decisions could quote this decision to seek a review of their own.;-)

2.  From the decision it looks like the respondent appellant did not do his home work properly. Like he opposed the review decision and tried to find fault with the PA. However, it is also possible that his POV was either not considered or simply left out of the decision. Maybe if he is on this list, he could shed some more light.

3. I cannot understand how IC ANT recommended the application of Section 11 at such a late stage. Surely there must be some thing that has transpired during the two hearing and has not figured in the two decisions.

4. Here is something that our die hard "RTI Activists" cum "Fighters of Corruptions" would like to use -

"Now, while the RTI Act, no-doubt, takes precedence over the Indian Evidence Act in a matter of inconsistency between their provisions, when the provisions of two Acts are consistent, the RTI Act and the Indian Evidence Act provisions should be harmoniously construed.

16. I find that there is ample consistency between Section 124 of the Indian Evidence Act and Section 11(1) of the RTI Act read with Section 2(n) of the same Act."

If you folks are smart enough, you can turn tables in forthcoming decisions. No explanations need, I guess.

5. However, I just do not buy this story "This necessitated that records dealing with their movements and the movement of their vehicles were kept confidential ⎯ often overtly and always impliedly.". All such officers are provided with Mobile Phones. There numbers are just not confidential. Anybody who can access these numbers, can also access their handset IMEI numbers and there by, sitting @ home, connected to the net can always keep track on their entire movement. As for their vehicles, thanks to the various cams installed at different locations, it easy to access these records from other PA.

6. 1984 was written by George Orwell, born in Motihari in Bihar, not far from the review petitioners office.

Manoj



--- On Fri, 7/30/10, sarbajitr <sroy1947@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: sarbajitr <sroy1947@yahoo.com>
Subject: [rti_india] Re: Review of Decision in CIC/AT/A/2009/000100 dated 16.9.2009
To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 11:01 PM

 

1) I wonder what Shailesh Gandhi would have decided in these circumstances?

2) I know what Mr Habibullah would have done - ensured that such cases are not heard / decided for years and years.

Note how ANT mixes "inconsistency" in the context of sec.22 to "harmonise" IEA and RTIA. This is exactly how any sensible superior court would read it too.

Having said that, if the Vig officers are corrupt, then such decisions
shield the corrupt and perpetuate corruption. ANT's point is simply - "the matter is already in HC - go there and get your info instead of (mis)using RTI Act".

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india@yahoogroups.com, binu peter <binupeterdelhi@...> wrote:
>
> Dear members,
>
> Please go through Review of Decision in CIC/AT/A/2009/000100 dated 16.9.2009 and let us know the apprehensions of Hon'ble Information commissioner is correct or not.
>
> BINU PETER
>


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[rti_india] The greatest RTI discovery since the invention of sliced bread

 

Husband: It is not my Baby
Wife: Niether is it mine
Husband and Wife (in unision): Well, lets go ask the neighbor, maybe it is his !

(PS: By the time the neighbor replies, Husband will be far far away)

RTIwanted


From: sarbajitr <sroy1947@yahoo.com>


"CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSION
Appeal Nos. CIC/WB/A/2009/000545 dated 5.5.2009
& CIC/WB/A/2010/000303 dated 7.7.2010


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[rti_india] Re: The greatest RTI discovery since the invention of sliced bread

 

Dear Manoj

I concur with you that when brainless idiots (aka "RTI activists") think they are saving RTI and go running off to CIC under the delusion that they are RTI experts, they f*** up the scene for everyone else.

The latest such idiot is Vihar Durve in this sterling example
"CENTRAL INFORMATION COMMISSION
Appeal Nos. CIC/WB/A/2009/000545 dated 5.5.2009
& CIC/WB/A/2010/000303 dated 7.7.2010

Appellant -
Vihar Durve

Respondent -
1. Department of Personnel & Training
2. Central Information Commission
Decision announced: 30.7.2010

He was "assisted" by 2 more idiots Rakesh Agrawal (formerly) of Nyayabhoomi and Venkatesh Nayak (as observer)

These "3 idiots" (actually 3 assassins of RTI) have totally screwed up the scene for section 4 compliance / enforcement. As all concerned idiots are members here I hope they will inform us exactly what happened,and why this outrageous decision came to be.

PS: The decision is not out as yet on CIC website, somebody forwarded
it to me.

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india@yahoogroups.com, Manoj Pai <manojpai@...> wrote:
>
> 4) Smart CPIOs are known to reject applications sent through email, citing Section 3. This is one reason, why I use digital signatures, as they can always my existence etc. For group members, I would recommend that you send a scanned image of proof of your citizenship. It would also help if you can send an Indian postal address. This makes it easier for CPIO to send the information. Very few CPIOs are net savy to send the information by email. Yes I have received several such information by email.
>
> 5) I know of several cases, where applicants have got such information through this route. As far as the CIC is concerned, I know a case, (not mine) where one CPIO actually sent a copy of the original RTI Application to the CIC for clarification. The registrar of the latter responded to the CPIO by asking him to adhere to the principle of the RTI Act in letter and spirit.
>
> So far so good, this invention has worked wonders for several applicants. However, I would strongly recommend, that all applicant should NOT try this route with every Public Authority. Please identify the CPIO of the PA and sure that he can understand what you are asking. Else, he would bluntly deny you the information. I would further request these same applicants not to rush to the CIC on this ground, as like described by Sarbajit, the CIC would block this route for us for ever.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Manoj Pai
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/28/10, sarbajit roy <mail.sarbajitroy@...> wrote:
> 4) There is no need to use digital signatures
>
> 5) The "slight flaw" is not a flaw but a procedural interpretation. I am sure
>
> that when some RTI activist tries to replicate our formula and gets an
> unfavorable order from the Commissions, that this route will be blocked
> for all of us. ;-)
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> I tried it out some time back and I should be "shocked & shaken, but not stirred" to tell you that I got all information. This includes from seven PA in your city of Mumbai. I also tried it out, with two Central Govt. PA in J&K, long before their own (news avatar) came into force.
>
>
> It all depends on how you draft the email elaborating the provisions of Section 6 & 7, like Sarbajit described, without quoting Section 4. Of course, I had sent digitally signed emails.
>
> Though the points give by Sarbajit are all sound, there is a slight flaw. Let us leave it to the "not so disclosure friendly" CPIOs & FAAs "disclose" this flaw to us. Till then enjoy the slice of bread.
>
>
> Regretfully still petrified.
>
> Manoj Pai
>
> --- On Wed, 7/28/10, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@ gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@ gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: The greatest RTI discovery since the invention of sliced bread
>
> To: rti_india@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 11:34 AM
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> Dear Sarbajit,
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> Appreciate your invention. It will also be good if somebody has tried such means of application and/or you try one test case by appling so by electronic means, with out fees.
> Â
> Bhaskar Prabhu
> Mahiti Adhikar Manch
> Mumbai
>
>
>
> > >
> > > Say Sarbajit.... isn't it shocking. I am petrified.
>
>
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Manoj
> > >
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[rti_india] Re: Review of Decision in CIC/AT/A/2009/000100 dated 16.9.2009

 

1) I wonder what Shailesh Gandhi would have decided in these circumstances?

2) I know what Mr Habibullah would have done - ensured that such cases are not heard / decided for years and years.

Note how ANT mixes "inconsistency" in the context of sec.22 to "harmonise" IEA and RTIA. This is exactly how any sensible superior court would read it too.

Having said that, if the Vig officers are corrupt, then such decisions
shield the corrupt and perpetuate corruption. ANT's point is simply - "the matter is already in HC - go there and get your info instead of (mis)using RTI Act".

Sarbajit

--- In rti_india@yahoogroups.com, binu peter <binupeterdelhi@...> wrote:
>
> Dear members,
>
> Please go through Review of Decision in CIC/AT/A/2009/000100 dated 16.9.2009 and let us know the apprehensions of Hon'ble Information commissioner is correct or not.
>
> BINU PETER
>

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[rti_india] Review of Decision in CIC/AT/A/2009/000100 dated 16.9.2009

 

Dear members,
 
Please go through Review of Decision in CIC/AT/A/2009/000100 dated 16.9.2009 and let us know the apprehensions of Hon'ble Information commissioner is correct or not.
 
BINU PETER

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Thursday, July 29, 2010

Re: [rti_india] Useful PIOs

 

Thanks a million.

Regards - Mohammed AFzal.


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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:48 PM, raja bunch <bunch_raja@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

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Re: [rti_india] Case Laws When rejection Due to Postal Order

Hi Rakesh

1) A CPIO can reject a RTI request where the payee's name
in IPO is blank

2) Your query is hypothetical in nature. No stricture lies
against a CPIO for item #1.

3) Likewise, the CPIO can return / reject request when the
fee differs from the prescribed amount.

The case Law of Suprme Court, is that procedural; matters
/ technicalities should not come in the way of delivering
"justice". "Procedure is a mere handmaiden to justice"
etc etc.

Sarbajit

On 7/29/10, Rakesh Chitkara <rakesh.chitkara@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dear Friend,
>
>
>
> I need case-laws on following queries under RTI Act :-
>
>
> 1.
> Can the CPIO reject an application if column "Pay
> To" is left blank while name & address of payee is properly filled-in;
>
> 2.
> Ref. 1 above – when the website of the Department
> does not guide on above, how is an applicant to know and whether rejection
> can
> invite strictures / penalty for wrongful act by CPIO;
>
> 3.
> Rejection when Postal Order of a higher value
> than prescribed, is sent ?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rakesh Chitkara, Advocate, New Delhi
>
> 9891678009 / 9899998663
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [rti_india] Re: The greatest RTI discovery since the invention of sliced bread

 

4) Smart CPIOs are known to reject applications sent through email, citing Section 3. This is one reason, why I use digital signatures, as they can always my existence etc. For group members, I would recommend that you send a scanned image of proof of your citizenship. It would also help if you can send an Indian postal address. This makes it easier for CPIO to send the information. Very few CPIOs are net savy to send the information by email. Yes I have received several such information by email.

5) I know of several cases, where applicants have got such information through this route. As far as the CIC is concerned, I know a case, (not mine) where one CPIO actually sent a copy of the original RTI Application to the CIC for clarification. The registrar of the latter responded to the CPIO by asking him to adhere to the principle of the RTI Act in letter and spirit.

So far so good, this invention has worked wonders for several applicants. However, I would strongly recommend, that all applicant should NOT try this route with every Public Authority. Please identify the CPIO of the PA and sure that he can understand what you are asking. Else, he would bluntly deny you the information. I would further request these same applicants not to rush to the CIC on this ground, as like described by Sarbajit, the CIC would block this route for us for ever.

Best wishes

Manoj Pai



--- On Wed, 7/28/10, sarbajit roy <mail.sarbajitroy@gmail.com> wrote:

4) There is no need to use digital signatures

5) The "slight flaw" is not a flaw but a procedural interpretation. I am sure
that when some RTI activist tries to replicate our formula and gets an
unfavorable order from the Commissions, that this route will be blocked
for all of us. ;-)

Sarbajit

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Manoj Pai <manojpai@yahoo. com> wrote:
 

I tried it out some time back and I should be "shocked & shaken, but not stirred" to tell you that I got all information. This includes from seven PA in your city of Mumbai. I also tried it out, with two Central Govt. PA in J&K, long before their own (news avatar) came into force.

It all depends on how you draft the email elaborating the provisions of Section 6 & 7, like Sarbajit described, without quoting Section 4. Of course, I had sent digitally signed emails.

Though the points give by Sarbajit are all sound, there is a slight flaw. Let us leave it to the "not so disclosure friendly" CPIOs & FAAs "disclose" this flaw to us. Till then enjoy the slice of bread.

Regretfully still petrified.

Manoj Pai

--- On Wed, 7/28/10, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: The greatest RTI discovery since the invention of sliced bread

To: rti_india@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 11:34 AM

 

Dear Sarbajit,
 
Appreciate your invention. It will also be good if somebody has tried such means of application and/or you try one test case by appling so by electronic means, with out fees.
 
Bhaskar Prabhu
Mahiti Adhikar Manch
Mumbai


> >


> > Say Sarbajit.... isn't it shocking. I am petrified.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Manoj
> >




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