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Subject: [rti_india] Re: CIC contravene rulings on section 2(F)--bars PIO for not to provide informat
Dear Mohit
I have given considerable thought to your problem. I am dividing my reply into to posts. This post is about the merits of your RTI request. The second post will be about the appeals / CIC / HC rulings, and why this is a typical example of IC(SG)'s slipshod and CORRUPT decisions.
1) Your RTI query was about admissions to "nursery" section at DPS Rohini.
2) You will find (and I found this about about 6 years back when I was faced with the same problem for my son) that the DoE is not the "appropriate authority" for registration / recognisition of such schools. For purposes of the DSEAR, the starting class is Class 1. The DoE consequently cannot summon info for nursery classes and information.
Mohit 7/12: as per elaborative amendments made to DESEAR act by Honble LG on date 24.11.2007, all admission in pre primary -preschool are to be regulated acc to guidelines specified in amendment. These amendments were made incorporating Gangully committe report and decision of Honble High court WP 196/2006 to regulate nursery admission.
Further, under section 50 of DESEAR rules, DOE can call for any information if required from recognized schools within delhi. This fact was upheld by Honble High court in rulling related to Purna Pranja school
In dec, 09 DOE came out with stick guidelines on admission . Admission committee( Parents+ principal of school), Monitoring cell of DOE were made to regulate admission process and to avoid any favorism.
since school(s) was supposed to follow DOE, calling for information by DOE under section 2(f) should not have been a problem.
3) You will find that there is no need for schools to be recognised till class 8. Mohit 7/12: as per DESEAR rule/act, DOE regulate schools/it procedure. all school need to be recognized irrespective of standard or class they will run in their premises. This clause is also mandatory under Right to Education act 2009 as well.
4) You will find that the regulating / registering authority for such private pre-schools is usually the MCD. Mohit 7/12: for aided school MCD can monitor but for unaided private school DOE can regulate school. This act gives DOE power to administrate school, take over school, cancel recognition, inspect school etc
5) You will find that the legal loophole exploited by the schools is a section of the DSEAR which provide for admission based on a) Written test or b) results in a previous "class".
Mohit 7/12: no written test, interview can happen for nursery as per new guidelines.
6) Unfortunately I can't download all the PDFs from DoE website as many of them are "corrupted".
Mohit 7/12: i have specified major regulatory frame work above from DOE website.
7) The entire DESEAR admissions regime has been overturned by corrupt social jurists in collusion with the Delhi High Court rulings which have legitimised the nursery / KG admission process.
Sarbajit
--- In rti_india@yahoogrou
>
> Dear Mr sarbajit
>
> Kindly note appeal no : CIC/SG/A/2010/
>
> Further as per DSEAR under section 50, director can regulate school and call for
> the informations from school if required. landmark judgement in this case was
> given by J. Shri Sanjeev Khaana in Purna Praja school. Even Mr Wajjat has used
> powers of DSEAR to facilitate section 2f.
>
> Beside this in my above appeal and other appeal no 961, Deptt was guilty of not
> furnishing timely info.. show cause notices were issued but on show cause
> hearing date only PIO was present, Deemed PIO was absent. We were not heard by
> IC and matter was closed citing that no penality will be levied as on same
> deemed PIO penality was issued in other case.. believe me i worked on my case
> for 2 months before hearing and i was highly demotivated with decision since i
> wanted to ensure that schools donot harrsse parents any more
>
> citing some imp judgement/cases on section 2f for ur ref ( apologies for making
> email lenghty but i had done my homework which i wanted to share with all)
>
> 1. CIC/WB/A/2007/
> Directorate of Education, GNCT Delhi, ordered given by Sh. Wajjat
> Habibullah , where decision of Hon'ble Delhi High Court of Justice Badar
> Durrez Ahmed dt : 8-3-07 was cited as below and decision given in favor of
> appellantby Sh. Wajjat Habibullah
>
> These writ petitions can be disposed of by setting aside this direction of
> permitting the private respondents to inspect the records of the petitioner at
> their premises. At the same time, it is also directed that the Dte. of Edn may
> provide the information available with the Dte. of Edn. to the applicants. In
> case the information is not already available with the Dte. of Edn, the same may
> be summoned from the concerned schools. After obtaining the requested
> information, it will be for the Dte. of Edn to supply the information to the
> private respondents/ applicants."This decision is in accord with Section 2 (f)
> read with 2 (j) of RTI Act, under which documents accessible to the Public
> Authority will come under the definition of information u/s 2(f), but inspection
> can only be allowed u/s 2 (j) by the public authority which actually holds the
> documents which in this case are held by private bodies which are not public
> authorities.
>
> 1. Decision of Delhi High court --- WRIT PETITION (CIVIL) NO. 7265 OF
> 2007- POORNA PRAJNA PUBLIC SCHOOL vs CENTRAL Information COMMISSION &
> OTHERS ruled by stated
>
>
> Therefore, if a public authority has a right and is entitled to access
> information from a private body, under any other law, it is ―information‖ as
> defined in Section 2(f) of the RTI Act. The term ―held by the or under the
> control of the public authority‖ used in Section 2(j) of the RTI Act will
> include information which the public authority is entitled to access under any
> other law from a private body. A private body need not be a public authority and
> the said term ―private body‖ has been used to distinguish and in
> contradistinction to the term ―public authority‖ as defined in Section 2(h) of
> the RTI Act. Thus, information which a public authority is entitled to access,
> under any law, from private body, is information as defined under Section 2(f)
> of the RTI Act and has to be furnished.
>
> Under Rule 50(xviii) of the DSE Rules, the Directorate of Education can issue
> instructions and can call upon the school to furnish information required on
> conditions mentioned therein being satisfied. Rule 50 therefore authorizes the
> public authority to have access to information or records of a private body i.e.
> a private unaided school
>
> 1. Appeal No. CIC/WB/A/2007/
> Gandhi, Ulhasnagar vs Hq. SWAC, Gandhinagar (Guj) , Decision given by Shri
> Wajjat Habibullah on dated 1-8-2008
>
>
> Even if we were to concede that the Air Force School Jodhpur is a private body,
> by dint of its head being a serving officer and serving as head in that
> capacity, by the very act of registration such an officer has the authority to
> access information regarding the school and is therefore required to service RTI
> applications pertaining to such accessible information.
>
> 1. Appeal: No. CIC/OK/A/2006/
> Secondary Education, decision given by Shri O.P Kejriwal on dated :
> 21st July, 2006.
>
>
> However, going by the definition of the term information under Section 2(f) of
> the RTI Act, which includes 'information relating to any private body which can
> be accessed by a public authority under any other law for the time being in
> force'. The Respondents are thus directed to obtain the information from the
> CISCE
>
> 1. Appeal F.No.CIC/AT/
> and Exchange Board of India (SEBI), dated 25th May, 2009
>
> Section 2(f) is clearly an autonomous and independent provision within the RTI
> Act, in which an information in the hands of a private body but accessible
> otherwise under the law by a public authority, has been rendered accessible
> to an RTI-applicant.
>
>
> 1. Decision No.714/IC(A)
> May, 2007.and Decision No. 1231 /IC(A)/2007 -- Shri D.K. Chopra vs
> Directorate of Education, GNCT of Delhi- Decision by Shri M.M Ansari as below
>
>
> Ø The PIO is directed to obtain u/s 2(f) of the Act, the minutes of the
> Managing Committee meetings from March 2002 to March 2007 from the school and
> provide a copy to the appellant.
>
> Ø A major objective of the RTI Act is to ensure transparency and accountability
> in functioning of the institutions, particularly the service providers that have
> considerable interface with a larger section of people
>
> Ø The PIO's contention that the minutes of the MCs are not included in
> Annexure-II of Delhi Education Act and, therefore, he cannot acquire them is not
> acceptable, as Section 22 of the RTI Act, 2005 has an overriding effect on all
> such provisions that come in the way of promotion of transparency in functioning
> of the schools, the activities of which are governmental in nature. The PIO is
> directed again to furnish the information at the earliest under intimation to
> the Commission.
>
> 1. Appeal No. 914/SIC-ASR/
> Information Commissioner Case between N. Subba Rao (President, Bapatla
> Engineering College Non-Teaching Staff Association) and the Principal,
> Bapatla Engineering College, Bapatla Excerpts of the order include:
>
>
> " The Commission is of the view that the stand taken by the Principal, Bapatla
> Engineering College, Bapatla appears to be wrong, which is against the
> definition of 'information', as defined u/s 2 (f) of the RTI Act, 2005 it is
> clear "information relating to any private body which can be accessed by a
> Public Authority "
>
> 1. Another order relates to an article appeared in Times of India titled
> "Pvt Medical, Engg Colleges Under Purview of RTI Act" dated 27th Sep '08,
> which clearly states that "Private medical and engineering non-aided
> colleges can no longer choose to hide information sought under the RTI act,
> 2005. In a landmark order, information commissioner for Nagpur and Amravati
> Vilas Patil has made it compulsory for all private engineering and medical
> colleges to reveal information under RTI to every applicant. These colleges had
> earlier refused to provide information on the pretext that they were beyond the
> purview of the Act."
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________
> From: sarbajitr <sroy1947@...>
> To: rti_india@yahoogrou
> Sent: Thu, 8 July, 2010 11:16:51 PM
> Subject: [rti_india] Re: CIC contravene rulings on section 2(F)--bars PIO for
> not to provide informat
>
>
> Hi Mohit
>
> 1) I need to know the CIC appeal no. or date of decision so that I can read the
> order in your case.
>
> 2) Are there any specific sections (regulatory sections) of DSEAR (Dellhi State
> Education Act and Rules 1973) which enable the DoE GNCTD tp lawfully access the
> info you require AGAINST A PENDING COMPLAINT against the school concerned.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> --- In rti_india@yahoogrou
> >
> > Dear Mr sarbajit
> >
> > Need your guidance on one of the ruling of CIC which i feel, contravenes
> >various
> >
> > High court rulings, CIC own rulings. I have tried to get help on below case
> >from
> >
> > others but not encouraging response so far .. request if u can advise on below
>
> >
> > i have filled an RTI application to Deppt of Education for providing me some
> > info related to admission procedure + admitted candidate of a private
> >recognised
> >
> > school in delhi.
> >
> > DOE replied that 2 questions of RTI cant be replied since school do not furnish
> >
> > the req info under Delhi school act and they dont have information available.
> >
> > In my 1st appeal i advise FAA auth that information can be called for under
> > section 2(f) and supported my case with lots of High court, CIC, SC rulings but
> >
> > FAA didnt recognized those.
> >
> > i filled the 2nd appeal at CIC and during hearing all my arguments etc were set
> >
> > aside by commission and IC rulled that if information is not available with DOE
> >
> > then nothing can be done and passed a rulling that Commission do not agree with
> >
> > this plea( plea of section 2(f) given by appellant) and the information which
> > under law or rules is expected to be held by the public authority is the
> > information that has to be provided under RTI
> >
> > IC have not taken notice of gravity of case , the use of info req in the
> >benefit
> >
> > of public as said school was discriminating on admission procedure and were
> > favoring candidates which was against DOE guidelines. Information needed to
> > usher transparency but IC overruled all arguments.
> >
> > Surprisingly on section 2(f) various important decisions have been given to
> > facilitated transparency,
> >
> > 1.Decision of Delhi High court --- WRIT PETITION (CIVIL) NO. 7265 OF 2007-
> > POORNA PRAJNA PUBLIC SCHOOL vs CENTRAL Information COMMISSION
> >
> > 2.Appeal No. CIC/WB/A/2007/
> > Ulhasnagar vs Hq. SWAC, Gandhinagar (Guj) , Decision given by Shri Wajjat
> > Habibullah on dated 1-8-2008
> >
> > 3.Appeal: No. CIC/OK/A/2006/
> >
> > Education, decision given by Shri O.P Kejriwal on dated : 21st July, 2006.
> >
> > 4.Appeal F.No.CIC/AT/
> > Exchange Board of India (SEBI), dated 25th May, 2009
> >
> > 5.Decision No.714/IC(A)
> > 2007.and Decision No. 1231 /IC(A)/2007 -- Shri D.K. Chopra vs Directorate of
> > Education, GNCT of Delhi- Decision by Shri M.M Ansari
> >
> > 6.Appeal No. 914/SIC-ASR/
>
> > Commissioner Case between N. Subba Rao (President, Bapatla Engineering College
>
> > Non-Teaching Staff Association) and the Principal, Bapatla Engineering College,
> >
> > Bapatla Excerpts of the order include:
> >
> > 7.CIC/WB/A/2007/
> > Directorate of Education, GNCT Delhi, ordered given by Sh. Wajjat Habibullah
> >
> > The above judgement supported section 2(f) for ushering transparency. DOE has
> > power under section 50 of Delhi school act to call for any information from
> > school if required .
> >
> > I am wondering why IC overruled all these aspects.
> >
> > Further,in ref to my other RTI with DOE, show cause notice was issued to
> > PIO/deemed PIO for not providing information on time.
> >
> > On the day of show cause notice i was present but i was not called for hearing
>
> > since deemed PIO was absent and only PIO was present.. i was told that IC has
> > recently issued penalty on deemed PIO and IC will decide whether to issue show
>
> > cause again to deemed PIO for appearance or to close file without levying
> > penalty and this will take some time may be next 4 -5 days.. i spent my 2 hours
> >
> > waiting in the reception area and after that i was told such feedback which was
> >
> > again not acceptable since there was clear cut case of penalty
> >
> > request members to suggest me on these 2 issues
> >
> > regards
> > Mohit Goel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________
> > From: sarbajitr <sroy1947@>
> > To: rti_india@yahoogrou
> > Sent: Wed, 7 July, 2010 11:52:47 PM
> > Subject: [rti_india] Re: Open Letter to Mr Habibullah in File
> > "CIC/WB/C/2010/
> >
> >
> > Dear Bhaskar
> >
> > It is nice to know that IC(SG) still has some supporters left.
> >
> > What you are using is the same type of "statistical" exercise
> > to prove that Shailesh Gandhi is a "good" Information Commissioner
> > that the PCRF used for their last RTI Awards, and which was universally
> > lambasted.
> >
> >
> > FYI
> >
> > 1) There are 3 kinds of untruths - lies, damn lies and statistics.
> >
> > 2) Statistics are like a bikini top - showing everything yet revealing
> nothing.
> >
> > 3) Statistics are like whores, play with them long enough and they'll do
> > anything for you.
> >
> > 4) All dogs are animals , All cats are animals, Therefore, all dogs are cats
> >
> > Now let me explain a few things to you
> >
> > 1) IC(SG)'s orders are pathetic. They are cyclostyled pieces of garbage of the
>
> > fill-in-the-
> >
> > are are even worse than Arvind Kejriwal's "assessors" if such a thing is
> > possible.
> > If you don't believe me, read these 2 latest orders of his on CIC website which
> >
> > I picked at random (the 1st two on "recent decsions of CIC today)
> >
> http://www.rti.
> >
> http://www.rti.
> >
> > 2) Appellant's / Complainants do not get a fair hearing before him. The main
> > reason for this is that he has already prepared the order before the hearing.
> >In
> >
> > any case what sort of arguments can a person make in the 5 minutes alloted to
> > them - 2 minutes for appellant, 2 minutes for PIO and 1 minute to print out the
> >
> > order. By this logic he should be delivering 100 decisions , ie 2,200 in a
> >month
> >
> > - he is only doing 420 ?? Sorry 419.25 !!!
> >
> > 3) Awarding penalty routinely is NOT a good thing. It is like a quack
> > doctor who gives antiobiotic+
>
> > get fooled by such tamasha. Unfortunately we have too many such illiterates in
>
> > this world.
> >
> > 4) Many of SG's stupid decisions have been stayed / struck down in the High
> > Court.
> >
> > 5) We all know the reasons his office has been digitised, and they have nothing
> >
> > to do with efficiency.
> >
> > 6) Lastly, I think you are confused - the purpose of RTI Act is not to give
> > "justice" but to provide information to those who deserve it.
> >
> > Sarbajit
> >
> > --- In rti_india@yahoogrou
> > >
> > > Dear friends,
> > >
> > > Disposals from IC Shailesh Gandhi. This information may be allergy to some
> > > of the board members but can"t help it:
> > >
> > > From October 2008 to June 2010- 21 months.
> > > Total disposal 8805.
> > > Number of cases in which compensation awarded 32.
> > > Number of penalties imposed 178 amounting to Rs. 33 lakhs.
> > > One and nly commissioner with Average disposal of 419.25 per month
> > >
> > > Diogitalised his whole of office.
> > >
> > > We have one person as IC who knows that justice delayed is justice denied.
> > > Kudos to him. I feel he can be recomanded to next CCIC, again this will be
> > > allergy to some board members.
> > >
> > > Bhaskar Prabhu
> > > Convenor
> > > Mahiti Adhikar Manch
> > >
> >
>
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