Re: 04 - Re: [rti_india] Shailesh Gandhi eats humble pie

Dear Bhaskar

I have already clarified that I am not interested in Shailesh Gandhi. Lets us
only recapitulate what is undeniable fact.

1) This is the same man who said that he will not accept a paise from
Govt. Then he said that he will accept Rs.1 as salary. Now we hear from
you that he is paid by GoI (FYI the figure is Rs. 1 lakh and 15 thousand per
month) which he distributes to legal interns and for providing free chai/paani to
appellants.

2) The company loses crores of rupees every year, yet becomes profitable
within 2 years under new management while Shaileshbhai walks off with
the same amount as its losses ? Who will believe this ?

3) Was Shaileshbhai personally interested in the 800 RTIs he filed in
Maharashtra, or was he a TAXI for various persons including mafias ?
I am no less a Mumbaikar than you, and we all know what happened
in the SRA case and which parties were benefitted by the final order
even if it is not obvious at first glance.

4) I am not close to anyone in CIC. Neither do I visit their houses or
speak to them outside of their offices / officially. The other moderator will
speak for himself.

5) You have again exposed your true agenda, to get Shailesh as C'IC,
even if that means insulting and circulating lies about other people.
Why do you not support a poor jhuggi jhopdi wallah from Dharavi
as our next C'IC, or are you also enjoying free chai-pani from Shailesh's
vending machines ?
.
Sarbajit

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sarbajit,

1) If Shailesh is such an efficient IC, then why was his company
running in such heavy losses ?

Ans: There is nothing wrong if there is a loss to the company, this doesn't substantiate that person is bad or with out integrity.

2) Do you (or Shailesh) deny that his company had failed to pay dues,
PF, ESIC etc to workers for many years, and when the company was sold
to Asian Paints family although Shailesh and his family made crores of
rupees, the workers got 5 paise (could be 7 paise) on the rupee.

Ans: Any asset/goodwill if it is sold its natural to earn profits. Even if you have and sell your land purchased some years back you will make profits.

3) Every time a citizen drinks a cup of tea / coffee which Shailesh is
paying for, it is a 'haraam ki kamaai' wrung from the sweat and toil
of poor workers whom Shailesh cheated.

Ans: I feel your are going out of board. If you have substantiating docs you need to produce the same. I am sure you know that he is paid the salary by GOI.

4) Honest ICs like ANT don';t have the luxury to hire private staff
like Shailesh is doing with his ill gotten gains. Stop portraying
Shailesh as an honest person, Shailesh has learnt these cheap crowd
pleasing techniques from his mafia gurus like Haji Mastan, Dawood
Ibrahim etc etc.

Ans: Definitions of Honesty may differ from person to person. May be your closeness to ANT is why you are campaigning for ANTs honesty. And I say there is nothing wrong in it campaigning for his honesty. Some body need some support. And you had said earlier the other moderator is earlier government servant Oh! sorry public servant, so affection to retired government servant cannot not be just ruled out.

You are nobody to stop anybody and you also portraying anybody comparing anybody with mafia Hajimastan, Dawaood Ibrahiom etc.is uncalled for.You have seen photos of these men in paper. We Mumbaikars well know much more about them, how the bureaucratte (OH ! the honest officers) connived in constructing illegal building in mumbai, so telling us is of no use, yes rest part of India members will get exaggerated comparing with dawood or hajimastan, misleading the rest of group members. You are just creating an bad impression about Shailesh Gabdhi you are welcome to go ahead. We all Mumbailers and rest of Maharastra activist will surely recommand MR SHAILESH GANDHI with out any hesitation for Cental Chief Information Commissioner, he may be nominated or not that is not our look out.

5) If Shailesh is indeed an honest person as you claim, then let him
publicly inform us exactly why he was selected as an IC.

Ans: There is no necessary to join any group for clarifications, that also to U OH! I don't think it is necessary. It is for you to ask the Govt about it, for many of us it is good that he was nominated and has made a bench mark you may like or not.

Inservice for RTI

Bhaskar Prabhu

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:59 AM, sarbajit roy <mail.sarbajitroy@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear VB

All the facts concerning Shailesh Bhai's company (and its losses) are in the public domain and/or accessible under RTI Act. These points have not been raised by me, but have been circulating in public domain for many years by persons other than me, and well before
Shailesh became an IC. These were raised by me in reply to a specific point raised by Bhaskar concerning the fact that Shailesh Gandhi is paying for private staff to research / write up his decisions from his personal funds. This is a corrupt practice and deserves condemnation.

I have no grudge against Shailesh or Wajahat. They are occupying public positions and
their appointment / public actions are open to honest public discussion concerning
their performance. The resources of this group are open for anyone to defend themselves / contradict posts.

The fact of the various awards conferred is neither here nor there. It is well known
why these awards are given and/or accepted. I would go further by saying that acceptance of these awards marks one as a corrupt person.

Sarbajit

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:48 AM, VB Singh <vijay_bsingh@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear Sarbajit Sir,

I don't know what personal grudge you are harbouring against Shailesh Gandhi and Wajahat Habibullah. You may be right in your perception but others also have right to present their views.

Is it fair to put such derogatory messages in a group without having strong proof. And if you have concrete evidence, then legal recourse is available to you.

I personally know Shailesh Ji since 2004 when we all grouped together to garner support for Satyendra Dubey. We both were conferred Navleen Kumar Award in 2004 by PCGT along with 3 other activists. PCGT has been founded by Mr. B.G. Deshmukh, Mr. Julio Ribeiro and Dr. R.K. Anandin 2002. Shailesh ji was also conferred third ''Nani A Palkhivala Civil Liberties Award'' for preservation and protection of civil liberties in the country in 2008. A panel of judges, comprising Justice M N Venkatachaliah, former Chief Justice S N Variava and Justice Sujata Manohar, decided upon Mr Gandhi's name. Mr. Soli Sorabjee had delivered the Memorial Lecture on 'Judicial Activism-Boon or Bane' in that function.

One should not doubt integrity of personalities and judges who have considered him worth above mentioned two awards. Are you suggesting that all the personalities and judges are fool. No one in Mumbai and India ever levelled any allegation against him, including the workers whom you claim have not been paid by Shailesh.

Regarding Wajahat Habibullah, it is enough to state that he had almost sacrificed his life when he was Divisional Commissioner in Jammu & Kashmir in 1991-93 while while negotiating with militants occupying the Hazratbal shrine in Kashmir. I was fortunate to hear his talk in Mumbai University in 2004 when he was Secretary to the Government of India in the Ministry of Panchayati Raj (Local Government).

No right thinking citizen would digest your attack on Shailesh ji and Wajahat ji without thinking that you have some mala fide intentions and hidden agenda to malign image of Shaileshji. I don't know what is chemistry of your relationship with AN Tiwari, but it is evident from the mails that you are aggrieved due to non elevation of ANT as Chief Information Commissioner.

Please control your emotion and do not apply the bureaucratic strategy of destryoing charactes of other lest it would stone wall on you as well.

With regards,

VB Singh
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." - Albert Einstein

--- On Thu, 26/8/10, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: 04 - Re: [rti_india] Shailesh Gandhi eats humble pie

To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 26 August, 2010, 8:09 AM

Dear Bhaskar

1) If Shailesh is such an efficient IC, then why was his company
running in such heavy losses ?

2) Do you (or Shailesh) deny that his company had failed to pay dues,
PF, ESIC etc to workers for many years, and when the company was sold
to Asian Paints family although Shailesh and his family made crores of
rupees, the workers got 5 paise (could be 7 paise) on the rupee.

3) Every time a citizen drinks a cup of tea / coffee which Shailesh is
paying for, it is a 'haraam ki kamaai' wrung from the sweat and toil
of poor workers whom Shailesh cheated.

4) Honest ICs like ANT don';t have the luxury to hire private staff
like Shailesh is doing with his ill gotten gains. Stop portraying
Shailesh as an honest person, Shailesh has learnt these cheap crowd
pleasing techniques from his mafia gurus like Haji Mastan, Dawood
Ibrahim etc etc.

5) If Shailesh is indeed an honest person as you claim, then let him
publicly inform us exactly why he was selected as an IC.

Sarbajit

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Bhaskar Prabhu
<mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear friends,
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> What is has said is hrdly anything to be counted. Mr. Sarbajit as I had said earlier has allergy to Shaileshs name itself.
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> I can only say at IC Shaileshs place applicant gets printed order in 10 mts, hearing of a applicant comes near to arround with in 60 days,office work is digitalised, hearings are held to the point, he spends from his pocket for internship, comes to the office at 9.30 am and works in his office up to 5.30 pm and sometimes late also, whole staff is trained to have positive attitude, all staff behaves courtously, visiters/appalants/complainants are served tea, has penalised 200 highest in India in the times span as information commissioner, highest diposal commissioner in India around than 9500 near to with in two years, compensation given to around 50 appalants, made state state to disclose Ratiion card application positions on net, made MCD to put up works on net, gave order which made MCD to look seriously in illegal mobile towers and illigal building (hear he has done job from his side rest is now for citizens to take further). Sarbajit sometimes posted that Shailesh to be my guru but he missed posting my reply msg to his msg. I think Shailesh should be now Guru to all commissioners otherwise by seeing the way the other commissioner speed of working we will re
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