Sunday, December 27, 2009

[rti_india] Re: RTI on Haj


Dear Ajay,

1) We try to keep religion and politics off this group.

2) We also prefer that RTIs / replies received uploaded to
this group concern section 4 disclosure (albeit via a section
6 as last resort) which benefits everyone

3) Insofar as your RTI application is concerned, you have
not applied to the proper Public Authority. You should have
first ascertained which P/A disclosed the "Haj Committee"
in its section 4 disclosure. You should also be aware that
there are State Level Haj Committees constituted under the
"Haj Act". So you should clarify to us if the info you
received pertains to Maharashtra only.

4) As a public spirited RTIer you ought to have gone after
this link

5) Finally, I have received a complaint against you from that
veteran RTI expert "S D Sharma" asking that you be booted off
this group since (as per your previous post) you are a professional
RTIer acting at the behest of foreign forces.

PS: The AA has cleverly limited you to only airfare subsidy, and
evaded the core of your request - "the govt expenditure on the same"

To All: Please remember that if you upload your RTIs and their
replies here to this group, you are setting an example to others.


--- In, ajay marathe <marathe.ajay@...> wrote:
> RTI on Haj
> Info asked & recd
> 1) Year wise no of Indians who went to Haj pilgrimage & the govt
> expenditure on the same.( from year 2000 to 2009)
> 2) Criteria used for selecting the persons to be sent for Haj from the
> list of applicants
> Info recd from Haj Committee, Haj House, Mumbai
> Year / Pilgrims Proceeded / Expenses incurred by Administration
> 2005 / 80,772 / Nil
> 2006-I / 99,660 / Nil
> 2006-II / 1,08,816 / Nil
> 2007 / 1,10,415 / Nil
> 2008 / 1,21,787 / Nil
> Haj committee of India confirms Wait – listed Haj applications against the
> cancellation of recd from Haj Pilgrims.
> I went into appeal stating that expenses cannot be Nil. It is known that
> Govt gives subsidy for Haj Pilgrimage. Criteria for selection is not given.
> PIO ( & not AA) wrote back to me informing that amount of subsidy given by
> GOI is not known to their office. It is directly paid by GOI to Air India.
> However a subsidized airfare of Rs. 12,000/- is charged to from the
> Pilgrims traveling from various embarkation points to Jeddah / Madinah
> Munawwarah and back.
> In the State Haj committee where applications are recd in excess of their
> quota , then the seats are confirmed to the intending pilgrims through
> Qurrah( draw of lots)
> I wrote back ( AA does not come into picture , PIO is only communicating.
> There is no hearing) arguing that section 6(3) be used for transferring my
> application about expenditure & also asked details about Qurrah- ie criteria
> for selection.
> The application was transferred to Ministry of Civil Aviation, New Delhi .
> About Quarrah I was informed that Haj Committee of India has developed
> Web-based software for central solution for this purpose.
> Yesterday I recd following info from ministry of Civil Aviation
> The total airfare cost of Haj 2008 operations was Rs. 1,013.39 crores (
> approx) on 1,21,695 pilgrims . Each pilgrims paid an amount of Rs.12,000/-
> towards airfare and the balance cost of Rs. 867.32 crores ( approx) is to be
> borne by the Government.
> Thanks & Rgds
> Ajay Marathe



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