Dear Ajay,
1) I fail to see any link between "long waiting list of RTI applicants" and "Haj Committee" and subsidies to Muslims.
2) Everyone is free to file as many RTIs as they want. Unfortunately such people (habitual RTIers) do not realise the damage it is doing the nation and governance. The advice was about posting to this group.
3) So you only have data on Haj Pilgrims from Maharashtra then? Are
you aware that there is a Central Haj Committee of India under the MEA, and 2 other MEA Committees on improving the Central Haj Committee ?
5) It is only info. I am not in the habit of issuing hollow threats.
6) Please feel free to continue posting here, we all stand to benefit from the experience of our veteran RTIers and members.
7) On section 4:
"4(1)Every public authority shall—
(b) publish within one hundred and twenty days from the enactment of this Act,—
:
viii) a statement of the boards, councils, committees and other bodies consisting of two or more persons constituted as its part or for the purpose of its advice, and as to whether meetings of those boards, councils, committees and other bodies are open to the public, or the minutes of such meetings are accessible for public;
:
xi) the budget allocated to each of its agency, indicating the particulars of all plans, proposed expenditures and reports on disbursements made;
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(xii) the manner of execution of subsidy programmes, including the amounts allocated and the details of beneficiaries of such programmes;
... much information suo motu to the public at regular intervals through various means of communications, including internet, so that the public have minimum resort to the use of this Act to obtain information.
Almost every query of yours on Haj should be answered automatically without your even asking. Or do you subscribe to the view (M.M Ansari and Gandhi) that info is only to be given to those who ask for it ?
Sarbajit
--- In rti_india@yahoogrou
>
> Sarabjit ji,
>
> 1) This has nothing to do with religion & politics. This RTI was after reading in the newspaper about long waiting list of RTI applicants. In fact the newspaper cutting was attached to my RTI application.
>
> 2) I do not think anyone can dictate to anybody what RTIs he/she should file. It is upto a person & his curisoty about any matter under the sun.
>
> 3) The RTI was marked to GAD of Maharashtra & they have marked to the concerned people. It is for GAD to decide which dept they should forward it to under section 6(3).
>
> 4)- Noted.
>
> 5)Thanks for the info.
> It is upto you. If it is a threat you are giving I think you have chosen a wrong person to issue threats to.
>
> Anyway I myself will stop posting on this group.
>
> Thanks & Rgds
> Ajay Marathe
>
>
> --- In rti_india@yahoogrou
> >
> > Dear Ajay,
> >
> > 1) We try to keep religion and politics off this group.
> >
> > 2) We also prefer that RTIs / replies received uploaded to
> > this group concern section 4 disclosure (albeit via a section
> > 6 as last resort) which benefits everyone
> >
> > 3) Insofar as your RTI application is concerned, you have
> > not applied to the proper Public Authority. You should have
> > first ascertained which P/A disclosed the "Haj Committee"
> > in its section 4 disclosure. You should also be aware that
> > there are State Level Haj Committees constituted under the
> > "Haj Act". So you should clarify to us if the info you
> > received pertains to Maharashtra only.
> >
> > 4) As a public spirited RTIer you ought to have gone after
> > this link http://minorityaffa
> >
> > 5) Finally, I have received a complaint against you from that
> > veteran RTI expert "S D Sharma" asking that you be booted off
> > this group since (as per your previous post) you are a professional
> > RTIer acting at the behest of foreign forces.
> >
> > PS: The AA has cleverly limited you to only airfare subsidy, and
> > evaded the core of your request - "the govt expenditure on the same"
> >
> > To All: Please remember that if you upload your RTIs and their
> > replies here to this group, you are setting an example to others.
> >
> > Sarbajit
> >
> > --- In rti_india@yahoogrou
> > >
> > > RTI on Haj
> > >
> > > Info asked & recd
> > >
> > > 1) Year wise no of Indians who went to Haj pilgrimage & the govt
> > > expenditure on the same.( from year 2000 to 2009)
> > >
> > > 2) Criteria used for selecting the persons to be sent for Haj from the
> > > list of applicants
> > >
> > > Info recd from Haj Committee, Haj House, Mumbai
> > >
> > > Year / Pilgrims Proceeded / Expenses incurred by Administration
> > >
> > > 2005 / 80,772 / Nil
> > >
> > > 2006-I / 99,660 / Nil
> > >
> > > 2006-II / 1,08,816 / Nil
> > >
> > > 2007 / 1,10,415 / Nil
> > >
> > > 2008 / 1,21,787 / Nil
> > >
> > > Haj committee of India confirms Wait – listed Haj applications against the
> > > cancellation of recd from Haj Pilgrims.
> > >
> > > I went into appeal stating that expenses cannot be Nil. It is known that
> > > Govt gives subsidy for Haj Pilgrimage. Criteria for selection is not given.
> > >
> > > PIO ( & not AA) wrote back to me informing that amount of subsidy given by
> > > GOI is not known to their office. It is directly paid by GOI to Air India.
> > > However a subsidized airfare of Rs. 12,000/- is charged to from the
> > > Pilgrims traveling from various embarkation points to Jeddah / Madinah
> > > Munawwarah and back.
> > >
> > > In the State Haj committee where applications are recd in excess of their
> > > quota , then the seats are confirmed to the intending pilgrims through
> > > Qurrah( draw of lots)
> > >
> > > I wrote back ( AA does not come into picture , PIO is only communicating.
> > > There is no hearing) arguing that section 6(3) be used for transferring my
> > > application about expenditure & also asked details about Qurrah- ie criteria
> > > for selection.
> > >
> > > The application was transferred to Ministry of Civil Aviation, New Delhi .
> > > About Quarrah I was informed that Haj Committee of India has developed
> > > Web-based software for central solution for this purpose.
> > >
> > > Yesterday I recd following info from ministry of Civil Aviation
> > >
> > > The total airfare cost of Haj 2008 operations was Rs. 1,013.39 crores (
> > > approx) on 1,21,695 pilgrims . Each pilgrims paid an amount of Rs.12,000/-
> > > towards airfare and the balance cost of Rs. 867.32 crores ( approx) is to be
> > > borne by the Government.
> > >
> > > Thanks & Rgds
> > >
> > > Ajay Marathe
> >
>
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