Wednesday, September 1, 2010

Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C

 

Hi Mr. Kumaraswamy

1) VBS was expelled because we (ie. I an the other moderator) cannot allow RTI groups to be used to settle / discuss / publicize personal grievances.

2) It is always open to VBS to reapply for membership after 14 days. After the Nutan Thakur incident(s) however, we are only allowing 1 more chance before permanently banning misusers.

3) I appreciate that you are a very busy person, but I request you to kindly read this group's rules which deprecate posting group messages to other groups / persons. Also "cross posting" will normally automatically ensure that such messages are rejected as SPAM by our groups settings and advanced heuristic filters. Which is also why your message was not posted to the group but reached me as a CC.

4) Insofar as Ashish.Kr  is convcerned, he has replied to many of your points separately.  As per my experience Ashish.Kr does not check his yahoo mailbox for OFFLIST emails, whereas emails posted to this group are forwarded to another email ID from which he occasionally replies. I also find that Ashish.Kr has clearly specified the source(s) of his allegations, unlike VBS.

5) I surmise that Ashish.Kr wrote that VBS had "fooled you", to offer you an easy way out. The alternative which he is now proposing is that you are hand-in-glove with tainted public servants, and actively assist them in promoting their cross allegations by a series of blogs / websites / yahoogroups, and which is in the nature of a business run from offshore to pressurize the investigating agencies located in India..

Regards

Sarbajit

--- On Wed, 9/1/10, Venkatappa Kumaraswamy <vmkumaraswamy@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Venkatappa Kumaraswamy <vmkumaraswamy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
To: "sarbajit roy" <mail.sarbajitroy@gmail.com>, "VB Singh" <vijay_bsingh@yahoo.co.in>, "C K Jam" <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>, "Satish Kumar Kapoor" <kapoorsatish@yahoo.com>, "urvashi sharma" <rtimahilamanchup@yahoo.co.in>, "Bhaskar Prabhu" <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>, "VMK" <vmkumaraswamy@gmail.com>
Cc: "eGov RTI" <egovrti@yahoo.com>, ashishkr1965@yahoo.com, rtirti.khan@gmail.com, umi_sbs@yahoo.com, sroy1947@yahoo.com, rti_india@yahoogroups.com, iyer_ga@yahoo.com, djshah1944@yahoo.com, harirajmr@gmail.com, vmehtaudctbby@hotmail.com, virender.johar@gmail.com, peoplefortransparency@yahoo.com, lesals2000@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:46 PM

Dear Mr. Sarbajit Roy,
Why expel Shri. V. B. Singh ? What did he do wrong ??
If you had faced what others have faced in their work, You will undestand the difficulties.
ASHISH KR has not responded to any of my mails? Why not EXPEL ASHISH KR ?
What, ASHISH KR has written against Mr. V. B. Singh is wrong. Mr. V. B. Singh did not FOOL ME.
ASHISH KR is making HIMSELF as a CLONE, JOKER of the rti_india yahoogroup.
ASHISH KR need to have basis for what he has written.
Thanks
Sincerely
V. M. Kumaraswamy
--- On Wed, 9/1/10, sarbajitr <sroy1947@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Group

I have expelled Shri VB Singh from this group. He has repeatedly posted defamatory allegations on our list concerning one Mr Ravindra Kumar who is not a member of this group and with whom he has some personal quarrel. It is pertinent that Shri Singh was repeatedy asked by more than 1 member here to clarify if he had made certain allegations which Mr Kumaraswamy had circulated and the basis for those allegations. Mr. Singh never cared to reply.

As per our group's practice, an expelled member can reapply for membership after 14 days. Repeat expulsion shall be permanent.

Sarbajit Roy
Group Moderator

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:36 PM, VB Singh <vijay_bsingh@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sir,
Please don't react on comments of Ashish Kumar, as he would never come forward to reply. He is another Ravindra Kumar, who has extorted bribe from the customs officers to complaint against me merely to thwart my deputation to CBI. I have asked him to provide his mobile number but he has not replied yet.
Kumaraswamy has clarfified that he was not fooled by me. Bhaskarji has rightly asked him to provide copies of 120 RTI applications done by other on behalf of me. But I know that he (Ashish) would not as his allegations are based on the information provided by those officers of customs who are looting the precious revenue of nation and are real security threat for Mumbai at least. He is being fed by those customs officers of Mumbai who have joined service illegaly, facing disciplinary enquiries of corruption and are indirectly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocenent persons in the serial bomb blasts of 1993.
As far as allegation of links with Abu Salem and Chhota Rajan is concerned, this thought would be generated in the mind of a pervert and corrupt person only having real links with underworld.
I avoided this topic to be discussed to save precious time of esteemed members. Sarbajit Sir should not feel offended by this message as it is my right to participate in the discussion pertaining to me. Ashish who has initiated this discussion and let him come clean on his allegations and reveal the basis on which he has based them.
With warm regards,
VB Singh
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." - Albert Einstein


--- On Tue, 31/8/10, eGov RTI <egovrti@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: eGov RTI <egovrti@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
To: "eGov RTI" <egovrti@yahoo.com>, ashishkr1965@yahoo.com, "VB Singh" <vijay_bsingh@yahoo.co.in>, kapoorsatish@yahoo.com, rtirti.khan@gmail.com, umi_sbs@yahoo.com, sroy1947@yahoo.com, rti_india@yahoogroups.com, "VMK" <vmkumaraswamy@gmail.com>, "Bhaskar Prabhu" <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, 31 August, 2010, 11:58 PM

Dear Mr. Bhaskar Prabhu,
This is V. M. Kumaraswamy,
Just want to let you know is that ASHISH KR does not have 6th sense the way you have written.
ASHISH KR, does not have SENSE at all !!!
ASHISH KR, does not know what he is talking about and what he is writing about.
ASHISH KR has not responded to my emails at all , WHY ??
Is ASHISH KR, MODERATOR of rti_india yahoogroup ??
If he is, we can all imagine the status of that yahoogroup.
ASHISH KR need to be tamed by rti_india yahoogroup. For writing unwarranted things in the group.
ASHISH KR does nto understand the flight of people. Who is going through hardship in their lives.
People like ASHISH KR makes life MISERABLE for WHISTLE BLOWERS and sincere RTI Activists.
Thanks
V. M. Kumaraswamy
--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,
Oh ! Ashish has 6th sense and he has virtual record of application done on behalf of V.B Singh by others -:) Let him post 120 applications that were done by others on behalf of V.B.Singh. Just using the names of Chota Rajan and Abu Selem shows that Ashish is a arm chair public spirited person and has knack to attach these names malign some person, since names are frequently talked in customs.

In-service for RTI

Bhaskar Prabhu

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, eGov RTI <egovrti@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: eGov RTI <egovrti@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
To: "eGov RTI" <egovrti@yahoo.com>, ashishkr1965@yahoo.com, "VB Singh" <vijay_bsingh@yahoo.co.in>, kapoorsatish@yahoo.com, rtirti.khan@gmail.com, umi_sbs@yahoo.com, sroy1947@yahoo.com, rti_india@yahoogroups.com, "VMK" <vmkumaraswamy@gmail.com>
Cc: iyer_ga@yahoo.com, djshah1944@yahoo.com, harirajmr@gmail.com, vmehtaudctbby@hotmail.com, virender.johar@gmail.com, peoplefortransparency@yahoo.com, lesals2000@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 2:51 AM





From: eGov RTI <egovrti@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
Cc: ashishkr1965@yahoo.com, "VB Singh" <vijay_bsingh@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 9:47 PM

WHAT, ashish kr1965 ashishkr1965@yahoo.com, is writing in the rti_india yahoo group is wrong. Ashish kr does not know what he is writing.
This is Mr. V. M. Kumaraswamy of INDIARTI and eGovINDIA Group.
Ashish does not know what has really happened.
Ashish needs to think before writing these things in a group like this.
Mr. V. B. Singh did not fool me.
Thanks\
Sincerely
V. M. Kumaraswamy


--- On Fri, 8/27/10, VB Singh <vijay_bsingh@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: VB Singh <vijay_bsingh@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 8:20 PM

Dear Ashish,
This is not the correct forum to reply to the questions raised by you. I don't want to waste precious time of other group members on personal issues. Please ask VM Kumaraswamy about this. If you are interested in knowing about me please give your location, contact numbers etc. and we would discuss this issue along with VM Kumaraswamy, Darak etc..
With warm regards,
VB Singh
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." - Albert Einstein


--- On Sat, 28/8/10, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 28 August, 2010, 8:35 AM

Dear Mr Singh

Before asking me for proof of information, please confirm if
you published these allegations below and what your proof
was then ?

Ashish

Dear Sir,

Are you also part of the team which is resorting to victimisation and
harassment.

Why is Narayan Singh after me like leach? Why had Narayan Singh audacity
to inform one of the Supdt. posted in AIU that he had got me transferred
from Vigilance? Why did he tell another Supdt. that he has got four filres
opened against me in vigilance and that he would ensure that I do not go
to CBI on deputation?

Had I not requested you to protect me from Narayan Singh? Now Bathija has
also joined Narayan Singh?

Don't you know that Narayan Singh had been receiveing bribe from Airport
Officials like BN Ojha for clearing carriers? Don't you know that Narayan
Singh Cell number is 9821229380 which is a third party number and he pays
thousands of rupees monthly bill? Is it not true that there were several
complanits against Narayan Singh in vigilance which were closed? Don't you
know that Narayan Singh had tried to protyect DS Tilwani also? Is it not
true that Narayan Singh had also protected Alok Garg by leaking the
contents of files attended by me? Why are you protecting Narayan Singh?

Do you agree with allegation that I had accepted bribe of Rs.4 crores from
Taufik Haji Gaffar? If so why do you not call Taufik Haji Gaffar himself
and verify the fact? Do you not know know what manipulations were beiung
done in Delhi High court to get the detention order of Taufik Haji Gaffar
quashed by Ram Jethmalani and Chidambaram after which I had complained to
President of India after which Taufik was detained?

Why did you not call the Rahul Bahandari and Meena two officers of Central
Excise who allegedly bribed me for not suspending them as per news report
published in Surat newspaper?

I am being victimised and harrased by the officers of vigilance
directorate to protect Alok Garg and other senior officers of the
department. I know who was tout of your Additional Director General and
her husband in Delhi with whom they used to go for dinner in Sidhdhartha
Hotel, Pusa Road, Delhi. I know how Taufik Haji Gaffar was helped by
officers of Customs when he was arrested by CIU in 1999 in bogus bank
gaurantee case.I have documenatary proof to show how one of the Deputy
Commissioner, Surat DRI, presently posted in the Directorate General of
vigilance, had protected Taufik in a DRI case in connivance with KO Paul,
SIO/ DRI, Man Singh SIO/ DRI and Parveen Katyal /I.O., DRI. I know how Dr.
NK Soren has been protected by Directorate General of Vigilance in a
export fraud case inspite of clear cut evidence of Jayesh gala against
him. I know how many Rebate files of Avinash Exports, Surat, have been
been sanctioned by another Depurty Commissioner, presently posted in the
Directorate General of Vigilance, looking after Surat Rebate Case on the
basis of forgeed export documents alonwith Surendra Mehta. I know how an
Asstt. Commissioner of Vigilance has managed to come to Vigilance Mumbai
from Kalkata to remain in Mumbai within two months. Can he go against
whimds and fancy of senior officers? I am aware that one of your Supdt.
was in touch with Editor Surat Saamna and Tejas Desai and tried to scuttle
the Surat Rebate investigation. Please ask VH Bathija how many carriers he
used to clkear every night when he was in AIU and batch and how many girls
he used to screw. I know at least one lady whom Bathija used to screw? I
know how PK Sinha has been protected by ADG/Vig, WZU, inspite of his
having signed the DRI-I backdated in CSD case. I know how the enquries of
SK Bharadwaj, retired Member CBEC, DS Sra, then Commissioner of Customs
(General), Mumbai and now Chif Commissioner have been scuttled to allow
them to retire peacefully and avail promotion.

Your department is digging my grave. They are asking the address of my
dead father for a flat alreadty intimated to the department under Rule 18
(2)of Conducr Rules.

You are posted in Vigilance to eradicate corruption from customs whereas
you are protecting the corrupots and vicimising the sincere and honests.
Had I been so corrupt why did you ask me to join vigilance and entrusted
me the enquiry of Surat Rebate case?

You project yourself as one of the honest officer in the department but
have you ever tried to defend me inspite of knowing fully well that
enquiries conducted by VH Bathija, MA Andrade and Narayan Singh are based
on personal vendetta.

Since you are one of the blue eyed boy of DG, Vigilance and know me well,
I request you to request him to close all my files and punish Narayan
Singh and others who were instrumental in opening these files.

Since I have already been placed under cloud for none of my mistake and
for performing my duties with sincereity and honestly, I am not bothered
about my career and will expose every corrupt officers of the departement.

My father and brothers have left for me enough property to look after
their families and my family. Please send me to jail after dismissal from
service and keep honests like Narayan Singh, VH Bathija, MA Andrade, PB
Chitre, SS Rana, Satish Agrawal, Surendra Mehta, Alok Garg, Saudan Singh, HN Prasd, Ravindra Kumar and Dr. NK Soren etc. in the department.

I am copying this email to the President of India, CVC and others to let
them know how the West Zone Unit of the Directoratae General of Vigilance
is victimising and harrasing me to protect corrupt officials of customs.

Regards,
VBSingh


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 7:34 AM, ashish kr1965 <ashishkr1965@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear moderators of this group.
>
> 1. The volume of spam in our inbox originating from this group is
> intolerable, The spam filters need to be readjusted to ruthlessly
> filter out contributions not concerned with RTI.
>
> 2. A cabal of disgruntled officers facing serious disciplinary and
> corruption charges, now masquerading as RTI activists @whistleblowers,
> have obtained membership recently to this group and started using our
> groups bandwidth to divert our focus from discussion on RTI instead to
> unwarranted accusations against Information Commissioners.
>
> 3. The contempt notice from the Central Information Commission to Mr.
> Umapathi S is
> a clear caution that free speech has its limits. Mr Umapathi seems
> oblivious to the high office of the President of India in his
> defamatory complaint concerning ANT which is replete with invective
> and personal spite. One seriously wonders how a public authority like
> the State Bank could employ such individuals, or why we should put up
> with them at our group.
>
> 4) The case of Mr VB Singh is even more serious and deserves immediate
> intervention. He is a practiced hand at misusing yahoo groups since
> 2006. http://www.mail-archive.com/bharatudaymission@yahoogroups.com/msg01800.html
> In another example from 2006 he managed to fool Kumaraswamy of INDIARTI
> http://customsmuddle.wordpress.com/2006/07/02/this-rti-request-to-cvc-of-v-m-kumaraswamy-needs-to-followed-up-by-an-rti-activists-if-any-questions-write-to-v-m-kumaraswamy-he-will-reply-for-your-questions/
> The wild allegations and intemperate language used by Mr Singh in this
> email mandate that such persons should not be allowed to post to/from
> this group or communicate with our members. Shailesh Gandhi, Rajesh
> Darak and other Mumbai activists have filed over 120 RTI requests
> collectively on behalf of Mr Singh, a vigilance officer, who faces
> numerous serious accusations of corruption in cross cases iof
> smuggling nvolving Abu Salem, Chota Rajan gangs.
>
> Ashish
>
>>
>> From: umapathi s <umi_sbs@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
>> To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> Dear Members Now it is becoming clear that the CIC is exceeding its power and its own jurisdiction . AS one of our members mentioned it is nothing but tactics to silence our voice.
>>
>> In order to have a constructive conclusion, I mention below points which may help members to decide on the legality of the contempt notice issued by CIC.
>>
>> 1) There is a dilemma whether or not CIC is a court.
>>
>> 2) If we accept that CIC is a court, even in this case, CIC has no power to issue the show- cause notice for Contempt proceedings.
>>
>> 3) As per one of the decisions of the Hon'ble High court of Delhi, "the lower courts have no power to prosecute a person for contempt of court". 'A perusal of provisions of the Contempt of Courts Act would show that a court subordinate to high court has no powers to initiate proceedings under the Contempt of Courts Act. Under the act, the high court alone can take cognizance of an alleged contempt having been committed in respect of subordinate courts,' the court said.
>>
>> 4) Only higher courts can take cognizance of contempt committed by a person against lower judiciary. In the same Judgments the court observed that "A subordinate court is supposed to send a reference of the matter to the high court. A subordinate court cannot itself assume jurisdiction under the Contempt of Courts Act and issue show cause notice as to why contempt proceedings should not be initiated,
>>
>> 5) Whether our group is private or public it doesn't matter much. What is imp is publication is any manner which scandalize or interfere with the administration of justice. This is to be decided by following the rule of law and facts and circumstances of the case.
>>
>> 6) The contempt proceedings have to be used only sparingly and cautiously.
>>
>> 7) The contempt Jurisdiction is not to protect an individual Judge. ( if ICs are declared as Judges).it is meant for the maintenance of effective legal system.
>>
>> 8) Contempt proceedings can be used only when the proceedings are pending. (In the instant case, the IC had already decided the case).
>>
>> 9) Contempt proceedings are quasi-criminal and quasi-judicial.
>>
>> 10) I shall be attaching the Scanned copy of the notice received by me soon (I have no scanner at Home, hence the difficulty), to prove the authenticity of my posting as some members mentioned.
>>
>> 11) I started the thread on this topic since it is a new and vital subject on the powers of the CIC and our Fundamental rights. The aim is to invite the views of OUR enlightened members .Tomorrow our other members may be forced to face such situations
>>
>> 12) I have addressed the complaint to Hon'ble President as "Her Excellency" in my complaint. No defamatory statement is made by me and it has nothing to do with the present notice issued by CIC.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: VB Singh <vijay_bsingh@yahoo.co.in>
>> To: rti_india@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Fri, 27 August, 2010 9:42:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [rti_india] Re: Another Major Threat to RTI Applicants- "Notice of CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS BY C
>>
>>
>








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